Episode 23

Published on:

16th Feb 2024

Did The Waste Management Phoenix Open Jump the Shark?

In this episode, Ben and Jay discuss the Waste Management Phoenix Open and the LIV Vegas event. They highlight the issues that occurred at the Waste Management Phoenix Open, including spectator injuries and fights.

They also discuss the performance of players like Ian Poulter and Bryson DeChambeau, who struggled with their putting. The hosts then analyze the LIV Vegas event and praise the course design. They also discuss the performance of players like Dustin Johnson and Laurie Canter. Overall, they express their excitement for upcoming events and the potential changes in the golf industry.

The conversation covers the viability of the PIF and LIV partnership, Tommy Fleetwood's visit to LIV, the real-time competition and volatility of LIV the appeal of LIV to new fans, and the announcement of the upcoming Golf Lovers United UK Golf Tournament.


  • The Waste Management Phoenix Open faced several issues, including spectator injuries and fights, highlighting the need for better crowd management.
  • Putting played a crucial role in the performance of players, with some top players struggling in this area.
  • Older players like Charlie Hoffman and Ian Poulter proved that they can still compete at a high level.
  • Some players, like Brandon Steele and Mito Pereira, had a slow start to the season, but it is still early, and their performance may improve in upcoming events.
  • Laurie Canter's participation in the DP World Tour indicates a potential collaboration between the European Tour and LIV Golf. The PIF and LIV partnership is seen as a viable solution for the European Tour, as the current deal with the PGA Tour is not well-received by European fans.
  • Tommy Fleetwood's visit to LIV does not necessarily indicate that he will join the league, but rather shows his friendship with other players and his interest in exploring different opportunities.
  • The real-time competition and volatility of LIV, where players are competing against each other simultaneously, adds excitement and a different viewing experience for fans.
  • LIV has the potential to attract new fans, especially those who are interested in team logos and branding, and who may not typically watch traditional golf events.
  • The announcement of the upcoming Golf Lovers United UK Golf Tournament, with details to be released soon, provides an opportunity for supporters of the podcast to participate in a golf event and connect with fellow golf lovers.


  • 00:00 Introduction and Waste Management Phoenix Open
  • 11:58 Review of the Waste Management Phoenix Open
  • 20:11 Review of the LIV Vegas Event
  • 22:20 Discussion on Greens and Putting
  • 29:30 DJ's Performance and Other Players' Concerns
  • 35:02 Discussion on Hi Flyers and Struggling Players
  • 36:39 Laurie Canter's Performance and Participation in the DP World Tour
  • 37:39 The Viability of the PIF and LIV Partnership
  • 41:00 Tommy Fleetwood's Visit to LIV
  • 46:50 The Real-Time Competition and Volatility of LIV
  • 50:43 The Appeal of LIV to New Fans
  • 55:06 Upcoming Golf Lovers United UK Golf Tournament

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Jamal S

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Jay (@ProGolfCritic) is a graduate of Duke University in Statistical Analysis.
A native New Yorker residing in California, he's been playing competitive amateur golf for over 25 years and is passionate about Golf being a global game and a game for everyone.
PGC firmly believes we need more Truth, Transparency, Logic & Common Sense in Pro Golf (and all media) and it is his mantra.
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Ben Mason

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Ben (Golf Lover UK) has been a casual golf fan all his life but in 2012 the bug bit. A huge fan of all things golf, PGAT, LIV, Ladies and Seniors. Ben is ticking off courses in the UK trying to play 20-25 new courses each year.

Mark Asquith

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Mark (@GolfDadUK) is a podcasting industry expert and an early industry leader in the United Kingdom and USA. He's also an avid golfer, huge fan of all things golf and is trying to get down to single digits over the next two years. Pah!