Joaquin Niemann vs Wyndham Clark - 59, 60, OWGR, Majors & more!

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59, 60, two lots of 54, and a lot, a lot

of attention on men's pro golf this week.

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This is Golf Lovers United where we

discuss golf the fair way.

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My name is Mark, one of the hosts at Mr.

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Asquith on Twitter.

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And today, as always, I'm joined by my

good friends, Jay at Pro Golf Critic and

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Ben at Golf Lover UK, and we have got a

heck of a lot to discuss.

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Not only.

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Are we going to give our picks for the

upcoming week tournaments, in particular,

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the LIV tournament over in Las Vegas, the

weekend of the Super Bowl is going to be a

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big one.

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But we're going to analyze and deep dive

that cracking weekend of golf, wind and

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weather that we've just seen across men's

golf.

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It's been a really, really interesting

week.

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Of course, if you've been asleep, it was

the season opener on LIV golf.

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Mayakoba, we also had the AT&T.

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at Pebble Beach and an honourable shout

out to the Bahrain Championship on the DP

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World Tour, which featured a really

endearing win for someone that I think we

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all wanted to see back in the winner's

circle.

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So we're going to dive deep into that in

just a few minutes.

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So without further ado, let me shut up.

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And I'm going to bring on the wonderful

Ben, the wonderful J.

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Ben, how are you, my friend?

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You had a good weekend.

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You enjoyed the golf?

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Yeah, I did enjoy the golf and a happy

birthday to Tony Gentile.

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It won't be when he's listening to this,

but I believe his birthday is today

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because I was chatting to him on Messenger

on Instagram.

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So happy birthday to Tony.

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I'm gonna guess Tony is a youthful 16.

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He's not, but he might like that.

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He would probably, I think we all like

that.

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It was all very useful.

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I'm sure he's very useful indeed.

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But yeah, thank you so much, Tony.

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Thank you for joining us.

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It means a heck of a lot.

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And Jay, how are you, my friend?

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You doing all right?

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Yeah, everything's good.

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Definitely dealing with a little bit of

bad weather here in the Bay area that

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definitely impacted Pebble Beach.

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We saw a lot of PJ Pro's that were making

some bad weatherman content over there in

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the Monterey Peninsula when they couldn't

play on Sunday.

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But yeah, navigating things pretty well.

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Everything going well, though.

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No complaints.

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Good man.

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Well, it's been a busy weekend, hasn't it?

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We should probably get to that.

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The AT&T we saw a 60, which we'll get to

in a bit.

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I'm going to go 60 with an asterisk just

for you, Ben.

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So we'll get to that in just a minute.

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And we saw Ludwig Oberg.

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I need to get that pronunciation right.

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He was starting to make a bit of a move.

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So a little bit of bone contention there.

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Had it gone to Sunday, would Wyndham Clark

have been able to protect his legacy even

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further by coming second?

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Who knows?

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We'll get to that in just a second.

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But also the LIV season opener where we

saw a victory.

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from Legion 13, which was actually it was

fantastic.

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See, really, really enjoyed that a lot to

dig into there and a fantastic win in an

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atmospheric playoff.

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Of course, between Akon Neiman and the

wonderful Sergio Garcia, so a heck of a

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lot to dig into on this one, but let's

just spend a couple of minutes before we

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get to that.

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I just want to give a bit of a shout out

to the DP World Tour.

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It gets a bit of a it's like the awkward

step child at the minute, isn't it?

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No one's really no one's really talking

about it, but I watched it on Sunday.

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Um, Stridham, there was, uh, Dylan

Fratelli, few people in contention on a

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course that Monte had designed in the

middle of a desert, what 10, 15 years ago.

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It was actually quite compelling golf.

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I don't know if you, you watched any Ben

Jay, I know you, you didn't spend much

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time with it, but Ben, did you spend much

time with the DP world tour this weekend?

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I watched highlights, but one thing on the

DP World Tour I'd love to talk about just

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as a quick one is that Marcel Siem, the

German guy, I think a lot of people don't

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realise quite how old he is.

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Like he has been around so, so long.

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He's late 40s.

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Yet another, I look in now, I thought he

finished 22nd, but I'm wrong, he's 23rd.

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Like Marcel Siem has just been grinding on

the European Tour, getting some loads of

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top 20, top 10 finishes for maybe 20 odd

years.

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25 years and it's actually we had Scott

Drummond on the show didn't we who dip

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talked about his performance in the 2004

Wentworth.

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Marcel CM played in that event so like

Marcel has been on tour for a long time

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and just I think sometimes you do forget

there are some absolute journeyman's the

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wrong word because journeyman implies that

you haven't been great and you've moved

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around a bit what would you call it?

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He's just been a stalwart of the tour,

isn't he?

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I think sometimes some of these players

get overlooked.

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I quite like him, he's a bit different.

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He's got the long flowing locks and he's

sort of languid where the way he walks up

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to the ball, yeah.

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I did watch it.

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There is a young guy, I can't remember his

name though.

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The one thing that DP World Tour did annoy

me this week is this young lad who won his

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card and still hasn't had a start.

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He's had to play four or five events in

the challenge tour, so he still hasn't had

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a start despite winning his card.

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And I don't understand how that was

happening.

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And I looked into it.

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not going to get too political but the

reason he's not been getting into it and

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he missed out by three spaces this time is

because of the five players who have been

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parachuted in from a PGA Tour that lost

their card.

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So you know there were five players who

got parachuted in from a PGA Tour onto the

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European Tour.

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That way you've got one bloke who's

qualified and isn't getting a spot because

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people who've been kicked off another Tour

are taking it.

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That to me feels really wrong.

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It's not a dig at the PGA Tour, that isn't

a tour.

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I'm just saying that's actually the PGA,

the DP World Tour.

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You've got a young man who's earned his

card.

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He's done what you wanted him to do.

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He's gone through Q School and earned it.

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And not got a place.

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Oh, it doesn't sit right with me.

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No.

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I get that.

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It's a funny situation.

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Like I grew up, obviously, being over here

in England, grew up watching the what was

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the European tour back then.

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And it I know this feels a bit cliché, but

it always felt a lot stronger than when

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you when you had Westwood coming through,

you had Polter coming through, Rosie was

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coming through.

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But then you also had people like Monti

still playing the tail end of Seve.

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Obviously, Bernard Langer was a massive

stalwart on there.

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And it just.

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It's wild because it almost felt more

global back then than it does now.

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And it's sort of, like you said, it's sort

of weird to see.

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Like I never really considered the

European tour to be a weaker tour back in

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the day.

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It may well have been, and I may just not,

I may just not have had the information,

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the data or the opinion to see that, but

it always felt that Monte and Langer could

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go toe to toe with, you know, whoever

Duval and whoever else on, in that

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generation.

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And it just it is just increasingly

starting to look like.

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It's just a shame, isn't it?

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It's just looking like there's not much

care and attention.

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Yeah, I know you've got some thoughts on

where that to us sits, but yeah, I don't

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know if I got that wrong.

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Is it is that just is that like rose

tinted glasses from like the 90s or what?

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No, I think you have it completely right.

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I think that the European tour of old, it

certainly is, it is not that anymore,

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unfortunately.

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And part of it has to do with the

decisions made by leadership and Keith

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Pelly.

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And honestly, this strategic alliance with

the PJ tour just is not panning out the

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way that anybody wants.

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I think that, and I think this is

something people need

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uh, two, two and a half years ago, the

European tour had a chance to partner with

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the PIF, um, and that would have allowed,

um, access to the LIV players playing in

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European tour events.

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Now, if you combine the LIV players with

the European tour players, you start,

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especially now, I think if you combine

those two against the PJ tour, I mean,

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you may be looking at a tour that's a

little bit better than the PJ tour.

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Like I think that that's something that

probably should have happened from the

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beginning.

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Unfortunately, you know, we, we could talk

about, you know, the PJ tour and how

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they've sort of threatened the DP world

tour and their sponsors, if they didn't

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sort of side with them, like that

definitely happened.

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So, you know, I think that two, two and a

half years ago,

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totally unproven thing, they hadn't signed

any players.

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It was a totally different ecosystem then

than what it is now.

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So if you were to sort of reconfigure

things and sort of align the European tour

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with Liv and allow some of these great

European champions to like go back and

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play in some of these events, like that

would be because one, you're able to get

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them access to world ranking points.

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Two, you're gonna strengthen those fields

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number of points available is even more

than what it is now.

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And three, you wind up building up a

competitor to the PGA Tour that's like

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actually on the same level.

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Like that's where I think this whole thing

needs to go.

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And I think that's that may be a world

that we're living in the not too distant

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future.

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Like I think this whole deal with the

merger now is very, very tenuous.

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I think that's probably the most likely

outcome of all this.

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there isn't necessarily going to be a deal

between the PJ tour and PIF.

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I think PIF could go ahead and sort of

take the European tour because we already

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saw in the paperwork, the PJ tour

described it as a distressed asset.

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So it's like, you could easily spin that

off to the PIF and sort of have them

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invest in it.

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And that seems like the most logical thing

to me.

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And I think that it was strengthened the

tour.

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It will allow a path back for some of

these great champions, which is what I

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really want to see.

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Yeah, it's interesting to see the people

coming up, like the Hogard twins and so

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on, coming up through the DP World Tour as

well, because the talent is clearly still

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there.

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And, you know, I think we're going to get

to the fields in a second on the PTA Tour

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and LIV, because this week probably

highlighted beyond all of the weeks where

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men's professional golf is.

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But huge shout out to Dylan Fratelli just

before we do that, because...

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Not one on the DP World Tour for six

years.

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Last year, the guy was thinking about

walking away.

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We've all, look, we've all wanted to throw

our seven iron around a tree from time to

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time, but this is a guy's living.

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It's a guy, Ben's done that.

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Of course, it has probably when he threw

the club championship away for longterm

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listeners, you'll get this.

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The emotions are rife.

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They're huge.

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But this is someone's career.

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It's someone's livelihood.

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So massive props on that one to Dylan

Fratelli.

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Now, we've got to get to the fields then.

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One second, just, I wanna put that name on

that guy.

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So it's 18 year old Englishman Josh Berry

became the second youngest ever player to

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gain a DP World Tour card behind Rory

McIlroy.

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And he hadn't had a chance to play yet

because of the reasons we said.

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However, the good news is he has got his

first start and he will be playing guitar

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this weekend.

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So great to see he's got it.

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But a question should be asked, is six

events in?

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should he probably have been able to play

this far and won his card?

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I'd have thought so, but hey, he's in now

and he's going to get a chance.

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Hopefully he will take the most of that

chance.

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He's 18 years old and hopefully he's got a

great career ahead of him.

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It was just a point just to say that

didn't quite seem right to me.

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Go get your card, go and get your card,

get it and then get a start.

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It felt a bit weird.

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Yeah, it's interesting because it's the

elation followed by the deflation must be

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challenging.

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So we'll see how we get something in

Qatar.

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And yeah, it was something to probably to

keep an eye on in terms of a concept that,

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you know, how often does that happen?

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Does it happen year on year?

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That's that's actually quite interesting,

mate.

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Let's switch gears to LIV in the PGA tour

then.

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I mean, the irony of Wyndham Clarke

winning a 50 hole, 54 hole, no cut

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elevated event tournament while protecting

legacy, I mean.

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Doesn't matter which side you fall on.

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I think it's been a very interesting week.

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One thing I want to talk about Liv in

particular in a minute.

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And obviously, we're going to talk about

the PGA Tour AT&T.

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But I want to preface this with maybe for

the first time ever, whether you like Liv,

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hate Liv, like the PGA Tour, hate the PGA

Tour, like All Golf, hate All Golf,

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whatever.

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It doesn't really matter.

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This is the first weekend that I've

genuinely seen the whole of golf talking

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about the PGA Tour and LIV in complete

parity.

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There has been, and obviously the

weather's played a huge part in that one,

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but it felt like for the first time as

many quote unquote column inches have been

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dedicated to LIV in a positive, even, you

know, worst case neutral way.

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has been directed towards the PGA tour.

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Again, is that is that Rowy Rose tint in

that?

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Or is that how does that feel?

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Does that feel?

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Does that feel fair?

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Yeah, I think that is fair.

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There's been, there's definitely been a

shift, ever really since the ROM signing,

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I feel like there's been this sort of

seismic shift in the ether where people

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have been covering Liv a little bit

differently, they've been talking about it

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differently.

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And the thing is when you look at the

leaderboard, and I posted this on Sunday,

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you have all these, like,

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great champions at the top, number one.

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And number two, you have this global sort

of reach to these players.

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You have players from the United States,

South Africa, Australia, England, and then

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two players from Spain and then someone

from Chile.

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This is the whole vision of Liv actually

playing out in real time.

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And I think that it was so, the finish was

so exciting.

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It was

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You had someone, you had this great

champion like Sergio, who's won, I don't

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know, 36 times worldwide.

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He's a master's champion.

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And then you have someone who's younger on

the come up, Joaquin Nieman, who I have

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said is like, probably one of the best

players, 25 years old and under in the

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world.

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I think that he's the best young player

out there.

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Like these are the types of storylines

that you need.

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to continually build interest in

professional golf.

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And this is something that's been totally

glossed over and whitewashed on the PJ

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tour.

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Is that when you remove all these great

champions from your events, and then you

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have guys coming up, it's like in order

for those younger guys to get like

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legitimacy and like prove themselves, they

have to beat these older champions.

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And it just happens to be like pretty much

all the older champions are over at Liv

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now.

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So I think that's a really important thing

that

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I don't think people should necessarily

gloss over.

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I think that it's something that's really,

really important to sort of to building

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golf up and sort of making it more

interesting is that you have to have these

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matchups.

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And then you have someone like, like John

Rom who is breathing down their necks.

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Like this is like really, really

compelling stuff.

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Like this is something I, I was actually

reading right before we hopped on.

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Like

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Viewership is like up 50% on Mayakova from

last year, which is this huge, huge

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uptick.

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And part of that is they've, they

definitely got viewers that would have

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typically watched Pebble, but you know,

this is, I thought it was a great event.

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Like it was really one of those times.

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It was definitely a top five event so far.

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And you notice every now and then there

are these times when

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LIV sort of up levels and this was one of

those times because it Totally captured

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the imagination of the golf world and I

saw people that have been very negative

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about it for two years Kind of flip and

basically saying and tweeting.

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Wow, this is really cool

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Yeah, I spotted a lot of that myself.

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And I think there's a few elements to that

as well, just to unpick the up and comers

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versus the legacy.

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I think that's an interesting one.

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So Waco versus Waco versus Sergio was it

was a big deal.

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The.

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I think for the first time ever for me.

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There was I keep using this word now, but

there was parity between the field

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strength.

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I genuinely don't think that has been I.

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We can say there's that many major

champions on LIV.

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That's fine.

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It's cool to say, but a lot of them are

legacy major champions.

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And yeah, well, obviously the young up and

comers have got to beat those guys and

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passing of the torch, but for the first

time, when I personally looked at both

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fields and some friends of mine that have

been, you know, on the fence.

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When it comes to LIV for the first time,

there has been no denying that the

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modernity of the field and the mixture of

legacy within the field.

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felt reasonably similar.

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And I think those, the addition of Rahm

Manhattan has, I honestly think in 10

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years time, whatever LIV becomes, that

will be the single biggest pivotal moment

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because it was that has transformed the

brand for me.

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And they did a few things around it for

me, again, they did a few things around

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the broadcast.

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I thought the broadcast was.

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Far better than last year.

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Still a little sketchy in places.

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The pylon was a little bit out of order

against the commentary and like whoever's

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placing the microphones, sometimes the

music's loud, sometimes it's soft and I

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can hear the cup rattle when the ball goes

in.

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Like little details that just, it's all

just through practice, but it's.

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That is not hearing the cup.

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That is an imported noise.

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And the two things that I've said that Liv

need to do is they need to get rid of that

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import.

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And look, we know we like Liv.

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That's not a surprise to anyone.

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But that imported noise when the ball goes

in the cup needs to disappear.

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It's got to go.

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I like it.

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: 00:19:07

I like it.

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I didn't think it was imported though.

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I thought they actually had microphones in

the cup.

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You sure about that?

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Okay.

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important because twice during the

broadcast, you heard the noise randomly as

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they're walking down the fairway and it is

the exact same noise.

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Because I wondered if they got some of the

channels mixed up, because you heard it a

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few times where a few mic channels are

being left on and there was like someone's

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: 00:19:33

cell phone went off and it was a bit like

trigger happy TV here in the UK.

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: 00:19:36

It was, you know, the old Nokia ringtone

jam.

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And it was there's a few little details

like that.

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But again, it's still fairly new.

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I think the quality of everything was

significantly higher.

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Let's talk about that field strength,

because we had obviously.

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Let's think about it this way, OK?

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: 00:19:57

It felt like there was a lot of parity

between the PGA Tour this week in terms of

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field, regardless of the results and Liv.

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All right, that's the first thing to note.

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But then if you look at some of the

stories that came out of it, all right, we

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had Wyndham Clark, who won with a 60, 54

holes.

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: 00:20:11

But he then had.

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: 00:20:15

Let's just say that the next two, Oberg

and Pavon, Pavon won last week and Oberg

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breathing down his neck.

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: 00:20:22

Franklai, I think he would have picked him

because he was on a bit of a tear.

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: 00:20:24

And then you had Jakob, you had Sergio.

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: 00:20:29

But the big stories were people like

Serat, Vincent, you know, they all had

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: 00:20:33

pretty strong debuts.

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: 00:20:36

A lot of the argument has been that the

players just aren't there.

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: 00:20:41

And I just feel like that has probably

changed.

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: 00:20:43

How important for, Jay, I think this would

be an interesting one for you.

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: 00:20:46

Those storylines around like people like

Caleb Surratt, okay.

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: 00:20:51

He for-putted and instead of going to

pieces like I would, he absolutely blitzed

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: 00:20:55

it.

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: 00:20:55

All right.

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: 00:20:56

How important is that when you have

similar stories like Dunlap and, and Oberg

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: 00:21:04

on the PGA tour, you know, the argument of

strength of upcoming talent.

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: 00:21:08

Again, that doesn't necessarily seem to be

there anymore.

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: 00:21:11

It's

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: 00:21:12

Again, there's a bit of parity.

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: 00:21:15

Yeah, it's true.

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I think the diversity of talent is

something at LIV that they've really done

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a good job of up leveling from Last season

to this season.

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I think the depth of field You know, we

always talk about raising the floor of LIV

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and I think it was an addition by

subtraction in some ways too, like some of

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: 00:21:34

the guys like Siwon Kim, unfortunately, I

hate picking on him, but it is what it is

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and then people like You know chase Capca

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Uh, those are like two of the punching

bags of LIV last year.

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: 00:21:48

Um, and this, this year, like, you don't

really like it.

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If you look at the field, like you don't

really have that anymore.

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: 00:21:54

Like you have guys that are younger, but

they're, uh, proven sort of talented

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commodities like Sarat.

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Like, um, I think that's something people

it's going to go totally gloss over.

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: 00:22:06

But when you, uh, totally screw up and

have a four pot

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: 00:22:11

when you're having a pretty good round,

typically it's gonna go south after that.

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: 00:22:15

He rebounded immediately and made five

straight parties.

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: 00:22:18

That's something that people need to

really file away.

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: 00:22:23

Oh wow, this is really, really impressive.

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: 00:22:27

And then when you start looking through

the field, there's not like...

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: 00:22:31

there's not a lot of weaknesses anymore.

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: 00:22:34

Like I think that the, the relegation this

season is going to be really interesting

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to sort of see who's at the very, very

bottom.

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Because that's going to tell you a lot

about sort of where Liv is going.

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And like we mentioned last week, a lot of

these sort of captains and sort of higher

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level players, like there are contracts

are going to be up this year and next

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year.

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: 00:22:55

So you start falling down in the

relegation all of a sudden.

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: 00:23:00

you might not have a spot on LIV in very,

very short order.

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: 00:23:03

So I definitely think that the depth is

there.

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: 00:23:07

I think that if people, uh, people are

always going to nitpick, like certain

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: 00:23:11

players and trust me, I could go to the PJ

tour leaderboard and talk about like all

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: 00:23:16

these, these people that no one's heard

of.

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: 00:23:19

I know it because I'm a, I'm a golf sicko.

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: 00:23:22

Most, most people are not, not going to

know those names.

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: 00:23:25

The LIV model.

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: 00:23:27

you get to know these players because

there's less players and you get to know

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: 00:23:30

them week to week so that by the end of

the season you may not have known who

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: 00:23:35

Caleb Surratt was prior to two weeks ago.

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: 00:23:39

Moving forward you're going to know who he

is because you're going to have a whole

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: 00:23:44

season he's going to play in every single

event against these great champions from

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: 00:23:48

the past or the sort of current.

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: 00:23:51

He's on a team with John Rahm, he's on a

team with Terrell Hatton.

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: 00:23:54

And I think that that's something that's

really interesting and it's something that

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: 00:23:57

people really need to keep an eye on as

time goes on.

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: 00:24:01

A lot of these guys you don't know now.

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: 00:24:03

The end of the season, if you're following

Liv very, very closely, you're gonna know

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: 00:24:06

exactly who they are by the end of the

season.

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: 00:24:12

I think Caleb Surratt is, you look at it,

he was seventh, I just lost it, Surratt,

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: 00:24:17

whereas he was...

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: 00:24:21

he was eighth in greens in reg and that is

just, and seventh in fairways hit.

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: 00:24:31

For a boy who they kept saying was

repacking his dorm to be seventh in

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: 00:24:35

fairways hit and eighth in greens in

regulation is...

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: 00:24:38

phenomenal and especially consider you had

a four putt to just go birdie and have

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: 00:24:47

that discipline and that control because

you miss a couple of fairways and a couple

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: 00:24:52

of greens and you go from seventh and

eighth down to sort of 15th and 20th and

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: 00:24:57

you're middle of the pack but the strength

of feel for me is fantastic and I look at

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: 00:25:02

the, if I get the big one, my big screamer

on the phone and I look at that

447

: 00:25:07

Just look down that list and again at

least comparing it to PJ TOR fantastic the

448

: 00:25:12

PJ TOR had a fantastic card as well you

look at Clark, Aberg, Scheffler, Thomas,

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: 00:25:17

Day, Burns, Rose, Cantlay, Keegan Bradley,

Morikawa in their top 14 and they're all

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: 00:25:23

big names Neiman, Garcia, Rahn,

Bernmeister, Johnson, Koepke, Hatton,

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: 00:25:29

Ustaz, and Cam Smith, Paul Casey, Taylor

Gooch like it's just

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: 00:25:34

Those that you can put that one 14 against

the other 14, it'd be a fantastic,

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: 00:25:38

fantastic event where you'd probably have

to do a coin flip.

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: 00:25:40

And that's testament to the characters and

the players they brought on.

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: 00:25:44

And I think that what for me is so

encouraging is that there are so many

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: 00:25:49

people saying positive things this time

about Liv that they weren't before.

457

: 00:25:53

And it does feel like a lot of the, maybe

the fence sitters have gone, do you know

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: 00:25:57

what, it isn't as bad as people made out.

459

: 00:26:01

And I said the one thing that did make me

laugh was it's gone from being, Oh, it's

460

: 00:26:06

a, it's a tour of has beens, which it

never was.

461

: 00:26:09

It's a tour of has beens to going, then I

moaned, then I moaning about the music and

462

: 00:26:12

the team names.

463

: 00:26:14

It's.

464

: 00:26:15

And I get team names are always funny, but

like who, who went, who, who thought Miami

465

: 00:26:19

dolphins and it first came out was a

great, great team name, like.

466

: 00:26:24

The LA Lakers, find me a lake in LA.

467

: 00:26:26

They weren't based there originally.

468

: 00:26:27

Do you know what I mean?

469

: 00:26:28

Like they want red socks, white socks.

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: 00:26:31

It's all moved around.

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: 00:26:32

Names don't necessarily work straight

away.

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: 00:26:36

I think that is something that will come

with time and recognition and just

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: 00:26:41

repetition of it being in existence.

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: 00:26:43

But look, the PGA Tour had a great level

of player.

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: 00:26:47

The LIV had a fantastic level of player on

display.

476

: 00:26:51

And I think it's...

477

: 00:26:52

I know people will say, I want them all to

play together.

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: 00:26:54

Well, part of me doesn't.

479

: 00:26:55

I like them playing a part.

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: 00:26:57

And I like the fact that the majors are

gonna be where hopefully they all come

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: 00:27:00

together.

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: 00:27:01

And if any point ever gets done, a PGA

Tour versus a LIV tour competition, a

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: 00:27:06

Ryder Cup style event, I don't mind a

little bit of people being on one side and

484

: 00:27:10

the other.

485

: 00:27:10

Let's get them together and let's let them

compete against each other four or five

486

: 00:27:15

times a year.

487

: 00:27:16

They don't have to compete together week

in, week out.

488

: 00:27:21

That's fair.

489

: 00:27:21

That's such a huge thing, just to jump in,

Jay.

490

: 00:27:25

The

491

: 00:27:28

It's wild, isn't it, with the majors?

492

: 00:27:29

Because the comment from, from Yako at the

end where, you know, a lot of people have

493

: 00:27:33

said, almost said it as if it was

flippant, you know, the first thing he

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: 00:27:37

said on the interview was, you know,

congratulations.

495

: 00:27:40

He said, yeah, but I'm not in the majors.

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: 00:27:42

And it was, it sounded flippant and it

looked flippant when you see it in black

497

: 00:27:45

and white on Twitter or whatever.

498

: 00:27:47

When you see the guy, like he's upset.

499

: 00:27:50

I know he's in the open because he won the

Australian, but he's upset by it.

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: 00:27:54

And it is, I think some-

501

: 00:27:56

was it?

502

: 00:27:56

It wasn't flippancy, it was upset and

anger.

503

: 00:27:59

Yeah, it was it was his first reaction.

504

: 00:28:01

And I get it.

505

: 00:28:01

And it just feels like if the cards are

played right, like you just alluded to,

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: 00:28:09

then the.

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: 00:28:11

The majors are the clear winners of all

this, if the cards are just played right.

508

: 00:28:18

And because all the ratings go up, all

everything just raises if the majors are

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: 00:28:24

the only places that these guys are

playing together.

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: 00:28:27

And it just seems wild, Jay, that we can't

seem to get to that, you know?

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: 00:28:33

Yeah, unfortunately, and this is something

that I'm going to keep complaining about

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: 00:28:37

until it's until it's fixed.

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: 00:28:40

I just I don't know, I don't have any

confidence that the majors are going to

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: 00:28:44

fix this.

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: 00:28:44

Like, I don't have any.

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: 00:28:45

I know David Ferri, basically guaranteed

that walk, I was going to get an invite to

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: 00:28:49

the Masters.

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: 00:28:50

I don't see it that way at all.

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: 00:28:52

I think that the sort of golf

establishment wants to punish these guys.

520

: 00:28:58

And I think that 2024 might be their sort

of last opportunity to do that.

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: 00:29:03

I think that they want to punish some of

the players that are not in the Masters.

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: 00:29:08

So they're not going to extend any special

invites.

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: 00:29:10

I hope that I'm proven wrong.

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: 00:29:11

I really do.

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: 00:29:12

Like it will restore some of my faith in

Augusta national if they, they do, because

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: 00:29:18

if they don't invite walking Neiman, who's

literally only the only reason why he's

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: 00:29:23

not in the Masters is because of politics.

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: 00:29:27

Um, like it goes against literally

everything that they stand for.

529

: 00:29:32

They.

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: 00:29:32

created the Latin America amateur

championships, specifically for guys like

531

: 00:29:37

Joaquin Nieman to get recognition and get

in the Masters.

532

: 00:29:41

He won it in 2018.

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: 00:29:44

Like it wasn't like that long ago and he

was playing in the Masters.

534

: 00:29:47

He played in it last year and he played

well.

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: 00:29:49

He finished 16th.

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: 00:29:51

And it wasn't that long ago that if you

finished 16th in the Masters, you were

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: 00:29:54

automatically invited back next year.

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: 00:29:57

So there's a lot of reasons why they could

say, oh yeah, let's just.

539

: 00:30:00

I'll bring him in.

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: 00:30:01

I think that the whole golf establishment

is very petty.

541

: 00:30:05

I think that they're very upset about how

things have gone with Liv.

542

: 00:30:09

I don't think they like being back into a

corner like this.

543

: 00:30:13

And I think they're going to resist.

544

: 00:30:15

I don't think he's going to get invited.

545

: 00:30:16

I think it's going to be travesty.

546

: 00:30:19

I think that it's going to go against

everything they stand for.

547

: 00:30:22

And I think that.

548

: 00:30:26

Augusta Nashville is going to get exposed

if they don't invite Joaquin Neyman

549

: 00:30:30

because he's this great global superstar

in golf.

550

: 00:30:34

Like I think that he's a super like he's

that good.

551

: 00:30:37

Like I know a lot of talent when I see

Joaquin Neyman is like one of the most

552

: 00:30:41

talented players that like I've ever seen.

553

: 00:30:45

So, um, and for him to not get into the

majors, like I still think he's obviously

554

: 00:30:50

in the, in the open.

555

: 00:30:51

Uh, he's so good.

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: 00:30:53

Like I.

557

: 00:30:54

I'm pretty sure he's going to want to

qualify for the US Open too.

558

: 00:30:58

And I think his ranking should, it should

be maintained so that the PJ championship,

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: 00:31:05

he should still be in the top hundred.

560

: 00:31:06

I think it might be a little bit dicey,

but so I think he'll, he'll be in three of

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: 00:31:12

them, but the Masters is a closed invite.

562

: 00:31:14

Unfortunately, the only way he's going to

get it because he's not going to have

563

: 00:31:19

enough world ranking points to get in the

top 50 for a variety of reasons.

564

: 00:31:23

And it's really frustrating to me because

the majors are supposed to be where the

565

: 00:31:29

best players are all coming together.

566

: 00:31:32

And if you start getting to the point

where you don't have all the best players,

567

: 00:31:37

you're going to start to people are going

to start questioning like, oh, man, like

568

: 00:31:41

you're missing like all these guys.

569

: 00:31:43

Like you're missing one now.

570

: 00:31:45

Maybe next year you're missing five.

571

: 00:31:46

Maybe the year after that, you're missing

10, 15.

572

: 00:31:48

Like all of a sudden you start getting to

the point where it's like.

573

: 00:31:52

wait a minute, like, is this really a

major?

574

: 00:31:55

And that seems crazy right now.

575

: 00:31:56

I get it.

576

: 00:31:57

The Masters is like one of the top golf

tournaments.

577

: 00:32:02

It's probably the top golf tournament in

the world.

578

: 00:32:05

Everybody watches it.

579

: 00:32:06

It's the highest rated one.

580

: 00:32:07

I get it.

581

: 00:32:10

Looking into the future though, part of

the reason why it is what it is, is

582

: 00:32:13

because it's always had the best field.

583

: 00:32:16

And if it starts getting to the point

where...

584

: 00:32:18

Uh, like in two years, Bryson DeChambeau

is not automatically qualified for the

585

: 00:32:22

master's.

586

: 00:32:23

So, and there's a lot of other guys, uh,

at LIV that, that are like that, that too,

587

: 00:32:27

Bryson's probably gonna have to win this

year, uh, to make sure he gets, gets in

588

: 00:32:31

forever, but, uh, that's the thing that's

really frustrating to me.

589

: 00:32:35

I don't know how this is going to play

out.

590

: 00:32:37

Um, I'm hopeful fingers crossed that we

get some sort of resolution to get these

591

: 00:32:41

guys access to the major so that we don't

have to haggle over this.

592

: 00:32:45

except I think for 2024, they're going to

do everything that they can to keep

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: 00:32:49

walking.

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: 00:32:53

We shall see on that one not too long to

wait before April rolls around.

595

: 00:32:56

We should get a little bit of news before

then.

596

: 00:32:58

Now, in just a bit, we are going to talk a

little bit about Windham 60 and Yakos 59.

597

: 00:33:06

We're going to dive deep on those two.

598

: 00:33:07

Plus, I think there was a bit of a pivotal

broadcast moment for Liv that got some

599

: 00:33:12

people interested, but before we do that.

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: 00:33:14

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: 00:33:19

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: 00:33:20

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: 00:33:22

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content as we roll more and more out.

604

: 00:33:26

But also you get to get involved and say

that you are a part, indeed, of Golf

605

: 00:33:31

Lovers United.

606

: 00:33:32

Now, Ben, you got some thoughts.

607

: 00:33:35

Wyndham Clark has shot a historic 60 over

at Pebble Beach.

608

: 00:33:40

But you asterisked me.

609

: 00:33:42

What's going on?

610

: 00:33:42

What's the asterisk?

611

: 00:33:44

um, again, what I found and this is what

I'm...

612

: 00:33:53

A couple of people that I get on with,

quite civil with in the golf media, that

613

: 00:33:59

are not, they're very anti-live, have said

things like, why can't you just say well

614

: 00:34:05

done?

615

: 00:34:06

Now, my point is, I did say well done.

616

: 00:34:10

It was an incredible round.

617

: 00:34:11

Shoot 60 is unbelievable.

618

: 00:34:13

But those same people were the very first

people that when Bryson got his 58, went,

619

: 00:34:17

it was lift, clean and place.

620

: 00:34:18

That 58 doesn't count.

621

: 00:34:20

It was lift, clean and place.

622

: 00:34:21

Bryson's 58 doesn't count.

623

: 00:34:24

And when you dare to say the same, and

it's a valid point, look, Bryson's 58 was

624

: 00:34:28

world class.

625

: 00:34:29

Unbelievable.

626

: 00:34:30

What an amazing round.

627

: 00:34:31

It was lift, clean and place.

628

: 00:34:32

The 58 still stands, because he's got shot

58.

629

: 00:34:36

Wyndham's 60 still stands, because he shot

a 60.

630

: 00:34:39

The point I'm making is, if you're going

to apply the lift clean and place attack

631

: 00:34:44

to one person, and attacks to one word,

critique, you should be able to apply it

632

: 00:34:51

the other way.

633

: 00:34:52

Now, Wyndham's 60 was undoubtedly on the

best rounds that's ever been shot, best

634

: 00:34:58

score for sure, and one of the best rounds

that's ever been shot at Pebble Beach.

635

: 00:35:03

You can't take that away from him.

636

: 00:35:04

It was world class and I watched.

637

: 00:35:08

I was about to say something snarky.

638

: 00:35:09

I said, I was expecting 12 shots of

adverts, but the adverts are a problem,

639

: 00:35:13

but hey, I'm not moaning about that.

640

: 00:35:16

Wyndham's round was fantastic.

641

: 00:35:18

I was expecting 12 shots of it, and the

guy was flushing it.

642

: 00:35:20

Absolutely superb.

643

: 00:35:22

But we've all played golf when it's lift,

clean, and place, and even if you don't

644

: 00:35:27

improve your lie through the lift, clean,

and place, mentally, you feel like you've

645

: 00:35:32

got a better place.

646

: 00:35:33

You feel like your ball's in a slightly

better position, and golf is up here.

647

: 00:35:37

We know that.

648

: 00:35:38

My point isn't that it's not a great

round, and it's not that it isn't the best

649

: 00:35:42

shot score ever at Pebble Beach, which it

is.

650

: 00:35:45

My point is, should we be saying to

ourselves, fairly, is a 60 with lift,

651

: 00:35:52

clean and place, as true as 60, as a 60

playing as it lies?

652

: 00:35:58

That's all I'm saying.

653

: 00:35:59

And I would never have said that if the

comments hadn't been made about Bryson's

654

: 00:36:04

58.

655

: 00:36:06

It was a bit defensive of me for sure.

656

: 00:36:10

But I feel like many of us have been

riding into battle for some of these

657

: 00:36:14

people at times because of the unfair

criticism.

658

: 00:36:17

And I think it's a perfect example of.

659

: 00:36:20

Criticizing it on one side and not

leveling the same criticism or being

660

: 00:36:24

crossed that criticism is being given away

That's all it is mark and yeah fantastic

661

: 00:36:29

round best score ever there He flushed it

round there.

662

: 00:36:32

What do you shot a 60 that lift clean in

place quite possibly who knows?

663

: 00:36:36

I tend to think lift clean in place is

probably worth one and a half to two

664

: 00:36:39

strokes

665

: 00:36:42

Anecdotal, made up in my own mind, but I

know that for me, if I get a chance to LIV

666

: 00:36:47

clean in place, I always joke, my

favourite time of year is March the 28th

667

: 00:36:51

to March the 30th, when the fairways have

started to dry out a bit, but I still get

668

: 00:36:56

a bit of lift, clean and place under

winter rules.

669

: 00:36:58

So I get the best of both worlds.

670

: 00:36:59

Or when it goes into October, and of

course there's a strict October to end of

671

: 00:37:03

March, lovely stuff.

672

: 00:37:04

I've still got some firm fairways and I

can pick clean and place.

673

: 00:37:08

I said as a joke, that's all I'm thinking.

674

: 00:37:10

It's not that it wasn't a great round, it

was one of the greatest rounds we've ever

675

: 00:37:13

seen.

676

: 00:37:14

It was superb, he deserves all the praise,

but a 60 with lifting in place isn't the

677

: 00:37:18

same to me as a 60 without.

678

: 00:37:23

Yeah, I think that's, that's totally fair.

679

: 00:37:25

And I think that the thing about some of

these criticisms too, like all the

680

: 00:37:30

criticisms of Bryson sort of that came out

after you shot 58, it was like, it was so

681

: 00:37:36

disingenuous on a lot of levels.

682

: 00:37:39

Um, and that's, that's part of the reason

why, uh, you know, some of us have sort of

683

: 00:37:42

leaned into the fact that.

684

: 00:37:45

You know, window of Clark 60 was lift,

lift clean in place, but, um, I actually,

685

: 00:37:49

I dove into the numbers a little bit on

Twitter.

686

: 00:37:53

some of the strokes, game numbers about

Windham's 60.

687

: 00:37:58

And people were trying to say, I think he

even said something about, oh, I'd rather

688

: 00:38:04

shoot 60 at Pebble than 59 someplace else.

689

: 00:38:06

He's honestly taking a shot at walking

demon.

690

: 00:38:08

There's no question about it.

691

: 00:38:11

And Windham Clark just needs to zip it

about Liv because there's a lot of

692

: 00:38:14

information out there about why he's not,

he wasn't playing at my Acova this.

693

: 00:38:22

This week we've already shared some of

that information.

694

: 00:38:25

So he needs to just like stop So but walk

walking Neiman's fifth 59 was basically

695

: 00:38:32

almost three shots better strokes game

then window Clark 60 Just because the

696

: 00:38:39

scoring average at my Acoba would was

actually a little bit higher than it was a

697

: 00:38:45

pebble that particular day

698

: 00:38:47

the distribution was a little bit wider

for, for walk, for walking Neiman, which

699

: 00:38:55

makes his 59 again, almost three shots

more impressive than Wyndham Clark 60.

700

: 00:39:00

So because the pebble scoring average of

Pebble was like ridiculously low, it was

701

: 00:39:06

in the sixties.

702

: 00:39:08

So that's something that people need to

sort of, if you are going to dive into the

703

: 00:39:12

numbers,

704

: 00:39:13

a little bit more and I was waiting for

Data Golf to say something about it, but

705

: 00:39:17

they never really did.

706

: 00:39:19

But they were the first ones to sort of

dive into and sort of try to discredit

707

: 00:39:24

Bryson's 58.

708

: 00:39:27

It's stuff like that, that just like

really grinds my gears and it like this,

709

: 00:39:31

it's I'm hopeful that we're sort of moving

into this period of time where people are

710

: 00:39:35

going to start treating these things more

fairly.

711

: 00:39:39

I still think that there's so much bad

information out there or just like

712

: 00:39:42

withholding information or like double

standards and all these things that we

713

: 00:39:46

just have to continue to keep calling them

out.

714

: 00:39:48

It just is what it is until this is fixed.

715

: 00:39:51

Maybe it'll never be fixed.

716

: 00:39:52

Maybe it's always going to be some level

of unfairness in terms of how these things

717

: 00:39:58

are covered.

718

: 00:40:00

But it's our job.

719

: 00:40:02

It's something that I take seriously.

720

: 00:40:04

And it's something that like I

721

: 00:40:06

want to make sure that I am sort of

centering the conversation.

722

: 00:40:11

Whenever it's going too far in one

direction, I'm going to bring it back to

723

: 00:40:14

sort of center.

724

: 00:40:15

That's sort of one of the things that I've

been doing from the beginning.

725

: 00:40:19

And it's part of the reason why people

think that I'm such a LIV shill is because

726

: 00:40:23

the conversation about LIV has been so

negative over the last two years.

727

: 00:40:27

Like, I've been trying to center the

center of the conversation the whole time.

728

: 00:40:31

So I, it probably does seem like I have a

LIV bias.

729

: 00:40:36

And maybe I do, but it's like, you do have

to treat these things more fairly.

730

: 00:40:41

And that's what I'm all about.

731

: 00:40:42

That's what this podcast is all about.

732

: 00:40:45

And we're going to continue to keep

calling out this unfairness and hypocrisy

733

: 00:40:50

until it stops.

734

: 00:40:54

Let's talk about Yakko's 59, which I

watched the entire round on that.

735

: 00:41:01

His putter was on, well, his was on fire

throughout from tee to green and on every

736

: 00:41:06

single putting surface.

737

: 00:41:07

But that could have easily, easily been a

57.

738

: 00:41:15

Missed four footer, four foot four inch on

17.

739

: 00:41:19

Didn't play 18 fantastically.

740

: 00:41:22

short the green, a little bit of a little

bit of a duffer.

741

: 00:41:26

But he duffed it for a 59.

742

: 00:41:28

I mean, holy crap.

743

: 00:41:29

That's pretty solid stuff.

744

: 00:41:31

Ben, that could have easily been a 57

though, man.

745

: 00:41:39

Why the only person whose lower back hurts

watch him in his impact position?

746

: 00:41:44

Surely, mate, surely I can't be the only

person that watches him in impact and

747

: 00:41:51

goes, that's absolutely insane.

748

: 00:41:54

How he get, it's just unbelievable.

749

: 00:41:57

But look, fantastic round.

750

: 00:41:59

He's a great striker of the ball.

751

: 00:42:01

And I think one of the things that Wakka

would say himself, he didn't have.

752

: 00:42:07

the greatest first half of the season last

year on Liv.

753

: 00:42:10

Things weren't quite gelling for him.

754

: 00:42:12

Obviously he was new in some ways with the

team and getting his mates together in the

755

: 00:42:17

way that he did and all that sort of

stuff.

756

: 00:42:19

What other external pressures might be on

a man?

757

: 00:42:22

And we all know, we all have different

levels of form.

758

: 00:42:25

But he's sort of taken that back half of

the season on Liv and got better and

759

: 00:42:29

better and better.

760

: 00:42:30

Got into the DP World Tour in the LIV off

season, played a few events there.

761

: 00:42:34

We know he won the Aussie Open and we know

he won

762

: 00:42:37

fourth and the other event which Minmoo

leave one and he just kept going and going

763

: 00:42:41

and going a fifth place in Dubai and he's

really trending and the thing I get when I

764

: 00:42:48

watch him is he doesn't seem to have any

self-doubt at all.

765

: 00:42:55

Now I'm not saying the other 53 players

have got loads of self-doubt but you can

766

: 00:42:59

sometimes see from what...

767

: 00:43:00

I like it to Mori McIlroy

768

: 00:43:03

When Rory McElroy's got that swagger

going, you know he's gonna shoot with 65.

769

: 00:43:09

When Rory gets going, that strut goes, and

Rory, I joke, he bounces down the fairway

770

: 00:43:14

like he's got springs in his shoes, but

Neiman's almost got a slightly different,

771

: 00:43:18

it's like a quicker to the ball, like

that, and I love it, and you can just see,

772

: 00:43:23

and he gets there, he has long

conversations with his caddy, and the

773

: 00:43:26

relationship they've got is fantastic.

774

: 00:43:29

And I thought his 58.

775

: 00:43:30

Sorry, his 59 was absolutely superb.

776

: 00:43:33

It was a pleasure to watch and a joy to

watch.

777

: 00:43:36

But I am gonna say something about golf

and Neiman from day two and day three.

778

: 00:43:42

Not about the two shot penalty that

happened.

779

: 00:43:47

If you just look, and Greg Norman was in

the booth for a little bit.

780

: 00:43:50

Greg Norman said something and we've all

been there.

781

: 00:43:53

He said,

782

: 00:43:53

Today, because I didn't even get on round

two, he got, sorry, he got the, he got

783

: 00:43:57

the, he got, he was one over.

784

: 00:43:59

And Greg Norman said, sometimes when you

play golf, for some reason, some reason

785

: 00:44:04

you can't explain the voice between a

club.

786

: 00:44:08

And Greg Norman did a fantastic, he said,

yesterday when he shot 12 under, he said,

787

: 00:44:13

They got to the club and they got to the

ball.

788

: 00:44:15

What distance is it?

789

: 00:44:16

175, okay, that's my eight iron.

790

: 00:44:19

I'm picking a random club.

791

: 00:44:20

But it was always his number.

792

: 00:44:22

And he said, you go to round two, and

every time they got to the ball, every

793

: 00:44:26

time you heard him speak, oh, do it at

seven, do it at eight, he was never, and

794

: 00:44:31

golf is so funny that you can shoot a 12

under the day one, and on day two you

795

: 00:44:36

shoot a one over.

796

: 00:44:37

And he didn't play bad golf day two, but

sometimes you're just in between clubs.

797

: 00:44:43

I shot a couple of low single figures,

which I know to Jay is nothing, he shot

798

: 00:44:46

under par a few times.

799

: 00:44:48

But a couple of times I shot low single

figures, everything, I had a four over.

800

: 00:44:53

Every time I got to a ball, it was 125 or

137, like which are the distances that I

801

: 00:45:00

hit my gap wedge and hit my pitching

wedge.

802

: 00:45:03

I mean, it was literally every single, and

I thought about that.

803

: 00:45:06

And I thought, I wonder if there's enough

made of golf about sometimes just that

804

: 00:45:10

ball's in the right place for you.

805

: 00:45:13

Do we talk about that?

806

: 00:45:16

No, I don't think we talk about that

nearly enough.

807

: 00:45:19

Like that's something that is like a

really, that's the reason why great rounds

808

: 00:45:23

turn into great rounds is because

everything kind of goes your way.

809

: 00:45:28

And look, like I said, Joaquin Neyman is

one of the top five to 10 most talented

810

: 00:45:34

players in the world.

811

: 00:45:36

He literally has no weaknesses in his

game.

812

: 00:45:38

Like I have been watching him for a long

time.

813

: 00:45:42

A lot of guys, I tend to sort of...

814

: 00:45:44

find something that's like a little bit of

a weakness.

815

: 00:45:47

And I want to sort of talk about that.

816

: 00:45:51

The one weakness that I thought maybe he

had was like the mental toughness.

817

: 00:45:57

Like I wasn't exactly sure sort of where

he was there, but like to get that two

818

: 00:46:01

stroke penalty right before the third

round that turned his 70 into a 72.

819

: 00:46:10

And then to bounce back and still wind up

winning the event.

820

: 00:46:14

That's something that's gonna go totally

glossed over but it's like a lesser player

821

: 00:46:18

would have like taken that and like It was

going south a little bit in the final

822

: 00:46:21

round like a lesser player would have

probably shot 75 and lost He wound up

823

: 00:46:26

keeping it under part.

824

: 00:46:27

He kept it together Granted it wasn't as

good as his first round like very few

825

: 00:46:33

rounds are but you know I think he was

able to sort of keep his level He drove it

826

: 00:46:38

great his iron game is always solid short

game.

827

: 00:46:41

Good putting was great

828

: 00:46:43

He was able to save some really good pars.

829

: 00:46:48

You know, he just he's a player that has

no weaknesses.

830

: 00:46:50

So like I think part of the reason why he

made such a big deal about the majors in

831

: 00:46:55

the post run is because he knows that he

can win not one, but he can win multiple

832

: 00:47:02

majors.

833

: 00:47:02

There's no question about it in my mind.

834

: 00:47:04

And it just takes him getting in and he's

playing so well now that they better keep

835

: 00:47:09

him out of the Masters because he could

easily go there and win.

836

: 00:47:12

So because he's got the game to certainly

do it.

837

: 00:47:16

So, and he's been trending at Augusta

National the last three years.

838

: 00:47:20

He's been progressively getting better and

figuring out that course.

839

: 00:47:23

And he's still so young.

840

: 00:47:25

He's only 25.

841

: 00:47:26

So it's like, he has his whole career

ahead of him.

842

: 00:47:30

I think that he's, as long as he finds a

way to get in his majors, he's gonna win

843

: 00:47:36

one, I think in the next two to three

years.

844

: 00:47:37

I don't think there's any question to me

about that.

845

: 00:47:40

Um, and he's just, he showed his mental

fortitude and it's something that there's

846

: 00:47:45

other younger players that I'm not quite

sure if they have it.

847

: 00:47:49

One of those players is Ludwig.

848

: 00:47:51

I'm not sure if he has that mental

fortitude just yet.

849

: 00:47:54

He hasn't proven it in majors yet.

850

: 00:47:55

He hasn't even played in a major yet.

851

: 00:47:58

Um, and the one time he was in a big

event, he was in the lead in the third

852

: 00:48:02

round.

853

: 00:48:02

He totally blew up in the final round.

854

: 00:48:04

So, um, at the BMW PJ last year.

855

: 00:48:08

So it's just something.

856

: 00:48:09

people need to keep an eye on as things

continue to unfold this season.

857

: 00:48:14

It's something that I want people to just

like plant that seed so that when it does

858

: 00:48:20

things start going a certain way, you're

more equipped to say, Oh, you know, uh,

859

: 00:48:25

this is some, something we had talked

about early in the year.

860

: 00:48:29

Um, and it's something that I think, uh,

is going to play itself out a certain,

861

: 00:48:33

certain way.

862

: 00:48:33

I'm excited to see how the season plays

out.

863

: 00:48:35

I think it's going to be really

interesting.

864

: 00:48:37

So we'll have to see.

865

: 00:48:40

I disagree massively on Ludwig Eiburg.

866

: 00:48:42

I think that everyone has a bit of a blow

up.

867

: 00:48:45

I don't think that necessarily means

you're mentally fragile or mentally weak.

868

: 00:48:49

I would say one of the things I think that

really helps Eiburg and when I think that

869

: 00:48:53

mentally it's a good thing, he could be

very strong.

870

: 00:48:56

I mean, what we all get to see is that if

you're a natural flusher of the ball and

871

: 00:49:00

you're not a forcer of the ball.

872

: 00:49:02

that really helps mentally.

873

: 00:49:04

If you haven't got to try and force gaps

and force this and force that in just a

874

: 00:49:08

natural flusher, I think that really

helps.

875

: 00:49:10

So I think you've been a bit harsh and

abug there, but we don't always have to

876

: 00:49:15

agree, do we?

877

: 00:49:18

Not at all.

878

: 00:49:19

Disagreement's part of it.

879

: 00:49:20

nicely.

880

: 00:49:21

I'm gonna get this on Twitter.

881

: 00:49:22

You guys like nothing more on Twitter than

going look back at this tweet from 12

882

: 00:49:26

years ago when I said Twitter is amazing

and now look at it.

883

: 00:49:29

It's amazing, I was right.

884

: 00:49:31

You guys are wild.

885

: 00:49:33

I did pick Joaquin Neiman to win this

event.

886

: 00:49:36

So I didn't want to pat myself on the back

here, but I picked him the way Mayako and

887

: 00:49:40

he did win.

888

: 00:49:41

So let's just, let's not gloss over that.

889

: 00:49:45

You can have that one.

890

: 00:49:46

I'll give you that, my friend.

891

: 00:49:47

I do want to get to the picks in a minute.

892

: 00:49:48

We are going to wrap up in a second

because I think you're absolutely right.

893

: 00:49:51

You did pick that man.

894

: 00:49:52

You deserve that one.

895

: 00:49:53

The the picks for the last time I want to

get to, I want to skim over them and just

896

: 00:49:58

revisit them.

897

: 00:49:58

But also, let's get our picks for this

weekend as well.

898

: 00:50:00

But one thing just to finish up on, I

think we LIV in my Acrobat, which I think

899

: 00:50:04

has probably began to change the tune a

little bit.

900

: 00:50:06

We talk about brand quite a lot of LIV and

it's had a lot of work to do on brand.

901

: 00:50:11

I think LIV accidentally got.

902

: 00:50:14

something that it desperately needed this

weekend.

903

: 00:50:18

I think every thing, whether it's a media

outlet, whether it's a golf tour, whether

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: 00:50:23

it's a startup, whether it's a band,

whether it is a movie, needs an iconic

905

: 00:50:29

shot.

906

: 00:50:30

And I think Live Golf finally got its

iconic shot this week because the TV shot

907

: 00:50:36

from above showing the huge monitor.

908

: 00:50:40

lighting up the green as they played in

darkness, coupled with Sergio saying, Come

909

: 00:50:45

on, let's go and just get it done.

910

: 00:50:47

That they desperately needed that iconic

shot.

911

: 00:50:50

And I think they managed to get it.

912

: 00:50:52

So, yeah, huge, huge props on that one.

913

: 00:50:54

I thought it looked fantastic.

914

: 00:50:55

Now let's get some pics.

915

: 00:50:56

Ben, very quick recap.

916

: 00:50:58

I wasn't around.

917

: 00:50:59

I had tonsillitis.

918

: 00:51:00

Who did you guys and Achille have for my

Acoba?

919

: 00:51:03

Let's zip through those.

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: 00:51:04

only way to make this work right, is that

we'll do our picks over the season.

921

: 00:51:08

Whoever gets the lowest score wins.

922

: 00:51:09

Cause obviously if you pick Bryson, which

Jay did, and he finished 25th for his

923

: 00:51:14

third place, that's 25.

924

: 00:51:15

So what we'll do is we'll just have three

picks and whoever's got the lowest score

925

: 00:51:20

over the season and Mark standing in for

you last week was Achille and he's done

926

: 00:51:26

you some favors.

927

: 00:51:27

You're off to a flyer.

928

: 00:51:28

So both Achille and Jay picked Neiman to

win.

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: 00:51:31

Achille had Cam Smith and DJ

930

: 00:51:33

finished eighth and fifth respectively.

931

: 00:51:36

Then Jay despite picking the winner is in

last place because he picked P Reid who

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: 00:51:41

came 17th and Bryson who came 25th.

933

: 00:51:44

And while I didn't get a winner, I had

Burmeister at fourth, Abe at 20th, and

934

: 00:51:49

John Rahm at third.

935

: 00:51:51

My fireball pick came sixth.

936

: 00:51:53

Achilles range goats came 11th and the

crushes came in second with the teams.

937

: 00:51:59

What I'm going to do is I'm going to

double that up because it's a difference

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: 00:52:02

of having a single versus team.

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: 00:52:03

So that's how we'll do it.

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: 00:52:05

I'll track it over the year.

941

: 00:52:06

No one will be interested apart from me

and maybe like 10 other people who

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: 00:52:10

listened to this, but I will keep a record

of it.

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: 00:52:12

So what I need off you gentlemen, I need

your foot, your three singles players.

944

: 00:52:16

You can say who you think is going to

finish first, but the three singles

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: 00:52:20

players is what's going to, is what's

going to count for your score.

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: 00:52:23

your team who you think your team will be.

947

: 00:52:25

So let's fly through them.

948

: 00:52:27

If you want me to go first, I'm happy to

go through them first, but we've got a

949

: 00:52:30

rule mark to keep Jay on time.

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: 00:52:33

You are only allowed to give a 30 second

explanation behind the player.

951

: 00:52:37

That is the rule.

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: 00:52:37

Cause you know what Jay's like, he could

give you an hour on why Paul Casey, who he

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: 00:52:41

won the program with, is going to finish

second.

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: 00:52:44

So if you want my pick, so I'll go first.

955

: 00:52:46

I'm gonna take that as a challenge.

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: 00:52:47

I'm gonna go first and I'm gonna keep this

all under 30 seconds.

957

: 00:52:52

And also I kinda think that we should only

pick winners instead of the top three, but

958

: 00:52:56

that's a story for a done today.

959

: 00:52:58

Top two, okay.

960

: 00:52:59

All right, top two, I'm going Brooks to

win.

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: 00:53:02

I think Vegas is his spot.

962

: 00:53:04

He loves Vegas.

963

: 00:53:06

This course, that suits him.

964

: 00:53:07

I think he's gonna play well.

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: 00:53:09

And number two, I'm going to go DJ.

966

: 00:53:12

I think that he is playing pretty well

right now.

967

: 00:53:15

And then for my team, I got to go with the

four aces.

968

: 00:53:17

I think the four aces played really poorly

in my cove, and they will be the first to

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: 00:53:21

admit that they are going to bounce back.

970

: 00:53:24

They're going to bounce back in a huge

way.

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: 00:53:27

They're going to win LIV golf.

972

: 00:53:30

Las Vegas.

973

: 00:53:34

up.

974

: 00:53:36

going to go with Rambo because I think

he's got a point to prove from last week.

975

: 00:53:40

I think he desperately wanted that first

week when I think he wanted to, like they

976

: 00:53:43

kept saying on the broadcast, the new

sheriff in town.

977

: 00:53:45

So I think Rambo has got a big, big point

to prove.

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: 00:53:48

Um, and he played well.

979

: 00:53:50

So he's coming off that team when as well.

980

: 00:53:52

I also, I think Bryson's probably.

981

: 00:53:55

Trending as well.

982

: 00:53:56

He seemed to feel pretty good last week.

983

: 00:53:58

Um, and for the team, I mean.

984

: 00:54:02

This is, it just feels cliche now.

985

: 00:54:04

We're only two weeks in, but it feels

cliche to say Legion 13, but I just, they

986

: 00:54:08

look that strong this week because of that

fourth, that fourth player counting, it

987

: 00:54:13

just looked really strong.

988

: 00:54:15

Um, so there my picks my friend.

989

: 00:54:19

Okay, I'll allow it this week, but from

now on, after this week, you can only pick

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: 00:54:23

one captain.

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: 00:54:25

That's gotta be fair.

992

: 00:54:25

Otherwise, you're only picking the same

seven or eight players the whole time.

993

: 00:54:29

That fair?

994

: 00:54:30

Because if we were gonna pick one captain

and one other, my other would have been a

995

: 00:54:32

different player than I'm gonna pick.

996

: 00:54:34

There is no way for me I'm not gonna pick

Brooks.

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: 00:54:37

Las Vegas, golf and country club.

998

: 00:54:40

is an old school golf club, very tight,

but still got length.

999

: 00:54:45

So it's going to reward being tight and

accurate and into greens.

: 1000

00:54:48,185 --> 00:54:50,827

I can't, Brooks has to be my pick for

that.

: 1001

00:54:50,827 --> 00:54:53,067

Brooks absolutely has to be my pick for

it.

: 1002

00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:59,011

Now I'm torn between Sergio Garcia going

for another great round, flushed his irons

: 1003

00:54:59,011 --> 00:55:02,192

all day, was a little bit wavered at times

off the tee.

: 1004

00:55:02,192 --> 00:55:05,053

So I'm, I'm going to go for

: 1005

00:55:07,002 --> 00:55:10,164

I'm going to go for Jon Rahm and I don't

want to go for Jon Rahm because I wanted

: 1006

00:55:10,164 --> 00:55:13,566

to go for Tyrrell Hatton because I thought

we were going to do one captain and one

: 1007

00:55:13,566 --> 00:55:15,667

non-captain but you two have got me for

that.

: 1008

00:55:15,667 --> 00:55:17,688

So you've gone Legion 13.

: 1009

00:55:17,909 --> 00:55:22,892

I was talking between Legion 13 and

between Ripper.

: 1010

00:55:23,173 --> 00:55:26,855

I think that Ripper were trending really,

really well at the end.

: 1011

00:55:27,135 --> 00:55:30,457

I have some concerns maybe about...

: 1012

00:55:31,026 --> 00:55:34,987

Surat and Vincent, if they're just their

first time, not in this place, with a big

: 1013

00:55:34,987 --> 00:55:38,549

crowd, they can have a massive crowd,

really tight to people.

: 1014

00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:40,290

I don't know how they're gonna respond to

that.

: 1015

00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:44,511

So I think that the Ripper GC are gonna be

better in that environment.

: 1016

00:55:45,672 --> 00:55:46,952

But I can't overlook the Stingers.

: 1017

00:55:46,952 --> 00:55:47,893

I've gotta go Stingers.

: 1018

00:55:47,893 --> 00:55:49,474

I'm going for the Stingers as my team.

: 1019

00:55:49,474 --> 00:55:50,494

I'm going for the Stingers.

: 1020

00:55:50,494 --> 00:55:52,035

They love a bit of tea to green.

: 1021

00:55:52,035 --> 00:55:53,435

Right, that's that dealt with.

: 1022

00:55:53,435 --> 00:55:54,356

We've done the teams.

: 1023

00:55:54,356 --> 00:55:55,396

I will work out the scoring.

: 1024

00:55:55,396 --> 00:55:58,957

From next week on, gentlemen, it is one

captain and one non-captain.

: 1025

00:56:00,749 --> 00:56:01,126

That's fair.

: 1026

00:56:01,126 --> 00:56:03,687

I think I can smell a spreadsheet coming.

: 1027

00:56:03,687 --> 00:56:07,550

That sounds very much like something Ben

might get on with anyone watching the

: 1028

00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:09,071

YouTube version of this.

: 1029

00:56:09,231 --> 00:56:11,272

You'll see how delighted he looks.

: 1030

00:56:12,434 --> 00:56:16,256

Hey listen, thank you for joining us for

episode 22 of Golf Lovers United.

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00:56:16,256 --> 00:56:20,399

What a fascinating time it has been over

the last week and will continue to be into

: 1032

00:56:20,399 --> 00:56:27,164

next week of course, with, well, Live Golf

Las Vegas, which has built its own party

: 1033

00:56:27,164 --> 00:56:29,810

hall to compete with the PJ Tour.

: 1034

00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:31,391

over in Phoenix at the Waste Management.

: 1035

00:56:31,391 --> 00:56:32,572

So we will see what comes.

: 1036

00:56:32,572 --> 00:56:34,854

We will be back next week with more of the

same.

: 1037

00:56:34,854 --> 00:56:39,638

If you enjoyed this, let us know over on

Twitter at GLU Golf Club.

: 1038

00:56:39,638 --> 00:56:42,299

You can listen at glugc.com.

: 1039

00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:45,402

You can watch us over on YouTube or you

can tell your friends.

: 1040

00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:48,025

They can tune in their podcast app of

choice.

: 1041

00:56:48,025 --> 00:56:51,167

If you want to get involved in the fan

zone, just like our good friend Tony

: 1042

00:56:51,167 --> 00:56:53,369

Gentile, once again, happy birthday, Tony.

: 1043

00:56:53,369 --> 00:56:57,312

You can do so at glugc.com slash support.

: 1044

00:56:57,312 --> 00:56:59,213

Ben, we'll see you next week, sir.

: 1045

00:57:00,078 --> 00:57:01,018

Thank you very much.

: 1046

00:57:01,018 --> 00:57:07,062

And I am probably four to five hours away

from having completed the putting together

: 1047

00:57:07,062 --> 00:57:08,443

our first event in the UK.

: 1048

00:57:08,443 --> 00:57:10,564

So I'll have all the information on that.

: 1049

00:57:10,564 --> 00:57:15,208

And I'm trying to make the date work for

when Jay is gonna be in the UK and Achille

: 1050

00:57:15,208 --> 00:57:17,969

from Drunk by the Turn so they can join us

on our golf day.

: 1051

00:57:18,326 --> 00:57:20,667

Get yourself a spreadsheet that'll sort it

out.

: 1052

00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:21,587

It will be a great day.

: 1053

00:57:21,587 --> 00:57:24,769

And if you do turn up at the event, you

can bring your own spreadsheet to look out

: 1054

00:57:24,769 --> 00:57:25,690

for that one.

: 1055

00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:26,710

Now it will be exciting.

: 1056

00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:31,353

And you will get to know about that first

if you are a fan zone member glugc.com

: 1057

00:57:31,713 --> 00:57:32,834

slash support.

: 1058

00:57:32,834 --> 00:57:34,875

And Jay, always good to see you mate.

: 1059

00:57:34,875 --> 00:57:39,097

Love you four aces, heart commiserations

on not winning the team event this week.

: 1060

00:57:40,256 --> 00:57:42,137

Yeah, it was a tough week for us.

: 1061

00:57:42,137 --> 00:57:44,659

However, like I said, we're gonna bounce

back.

: 1062

00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:49,163

I can't believe we're already 22 episodes

into the Golf Lovers United.

: 1063

00:57:49,163 --> 00:57:51,245

By the way, this is really impressive.

: 1064

00:57:51,886 --> 00:57:56,970

Last I checked through, we've now done

more than I did with the other guy who

: 1065

00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:58,631

will remain nameless.

: 1066

00:57:59,312 --> 00:58:03,255

I think that things have been going

really, really well for us.

: 1067

00:58:03,255 --> 00:58:04,976

We've got a great team.

: 1068

00:58:05,237 --> 00:58:08,079

So yeah, I'm looking forward to another 22

episodes.

: 1069

00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:09,514

I love it.

: 1070

00:58:09,514 --> 00:58:13,316

And as a data guy, I'll tell you this, my

friend, we are trending very, very well in

: 1071

00:58:13,316 --> 00:58:15,997

terms of downloads, in particular over on

YouTube.

: 1072

00:58:15,997 --> 00:58:19,619

We are doing really, really well in terms

of what does an average podcast get?

: 1073

00:58:19,619 --> 00:58:25,643

It's we are in a very strong position and

most podcasts only make it to episode

: 1074

00:58:25,643 --> 00:58:26,003

seven.

: 1075

00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:29,305

So we've tripled that record and we'll be

back for more next week.

: 1076

00:58:29,305 --> 00:58:31,566

So until then, thank you, the ever present

listener.

: 1077

00:58:31,566 --> 00:58:35,328

Thank you to all that get involved over on

Twitter at GLU Golf Club.

: 1078

00:58:35,328 --> 00:58:37,922

So until next time, enjoy your golf,

whether you're playing.

: 1079

00:58:37,922 --> 00:58:40,961

whether you're watching, enjoy yourself,

look after yourself, and we'll see you

: 1080

00:58:40,961 --> 00:58:42,205

next week.