What Did Tiger Woods Say? Plus.. 8 Golfers Who May Move to LIV in 2024

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Hello and welcome to Golf Lovers United,

where we discuss golf the fair way.

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And today we're going to talk about eight

players who may or may not go to live.

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We're going to talk about what the live

teams might look like next week and next

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week even, next year.

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Or it could be next week if you're

listening to this on New Year's Eve.

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But we're also going to talk about the

worldwide tech championship that just went

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on this week won by Mr.

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Eric Van Heerooien and.

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Ben and I, who is back from his vacation,

we may have a little mass debate together.

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That's right, a debate together.

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If you heard anything else, please switch

off until you're in a better frame of

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mind.

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That's right, we may mass debate together.

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But without further ado, let me bring on

my two fantastic co-hosts, the one, the

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only ProGolf critic, Jay.

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How are you, my friend?

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I'm doing well.

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Everything feels right now that we have

everybody here.

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We have a quorum of folks.

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Welcome back, Ben.

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I was joking with everybody last week that

we were going to turn you into golf lover.

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You asked before this was over, but it

sounds, sounds like you had a great trip.

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So, uh, yeah, let it, let us know how, how

it went.

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And Ben, obviously at Golf Lover UK,

welcome back.

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In order to turn you into Golf Lover US,

of course, you need to eat a lot of the

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food that we don't get over here in the

UK, starting with, of course, copious

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amounts of Hershey's that taste like

vomit.

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Did you do that or did you not do that?

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Because if you didn't...

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Hershey's is trash.

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It is, it's gritty and horrible.

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Whenever an American comes over to the UK

and has English chocolate, they're always

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like, Oh my God, this is so different.

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When I played a Matt Wolf, I had some

chocolate in my bag and shared it.

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Like every single American ever tries

English chocolate.

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You get trash over there, but there we

are.

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No, I had a great time.

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It's great to be back.

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I felt I had to come back because

obviously, um, Jay spoke for 97 hours

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straight.

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And it was, I enjoyed it because I love

you and you're a friend.

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I can't believe people stayed tuned in.

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I was out to be fair, I was trying to hang

up, but the browser was just not working.

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I was like, I don't get out of this.

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This is terrible.

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No, I'm only kidding.

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We enjoyed it last week and it was our

first YouTube session as well.

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All right, we're going to dive in there.

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We've got well, Ben, you wanted to talk

about you've ever made notes this week,

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which I think is highly professional and

wildly surprising.

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You wanted to talk about eight golfers

that you think might end up alive.

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How do you want to do this?

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I think we, I think we've had a lot of

names come out and I think that Jay and I

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are very lucky that we've got some great

connections inside of live and inside of

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golf that we get some particles of

information and some semblances of what

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might be happening in some discussions.

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Jay and I've both been told there's

definitely one, probably two new teams

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coming to live.

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We've been told that by people that know

and would know and to get their

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information is fantastic.

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Um, so if you have anything else to share

with us, do let us know.

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As you know, we never reveal our sources,

but we've been told there's one,

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definitely two new teams, but I think it's

interesting to look at the new players and

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maybe some of the formations of teams.

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So I don't want to spend 45 minutes on

this because I think that some people will

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get bored of it.

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And we're going to cover a few other

things, aren't we?

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Like the worldwide technology championship

and, and all that sort of stuff later.

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But I just want to go into this and I want

to start and I'm going to ask.

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I'm going to give you the name.

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I want you to give me a score out of 10 of

where you, if they're going or not, 10

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being they're definitely going their T in

it up, zero being they're desperate to be

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on the TGL, they got no interest.

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I will then give you my thoughts and then

I want you to give me why you got to that

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score.

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All right.

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This sounds super complex.

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We may as well, let's just keep trying to

say Worldwide Technology Championship,

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because that's way less complex.

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Ha ha.

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pretended that watching Liv was.

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Don't get on me started on this one.

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We had a little mass debate earlier.

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Don't say that.

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on this tiger stuff.

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Like I'm already fired up enough.

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you cannot be.

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that up so early.

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Now we've got to just go back to the eight

players.

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All right, go on.

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We've got your rules.

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You can't, all I'm gonna say is you can't

be the greatest golfer that's ever lived.

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Be a golf savant and pretend you can't

understand shotgun starts, but there we

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are.

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Right.

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So Sungjae, Sungjae Im is my first name,

but I'm gonna put him in a pair to come

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over with Siwoo Kim.

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Mark, what are your scores?

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I'm going to write these down and then

when the live season starts, they're

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recorded in my, in my notebook.

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When the live season starts, we will go

back and see who was writing.

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what level of right and wrong were you?

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Because we'll be able to take that eight

out of 10 or three out of 10 and see how

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right or wrong you were.

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So Mark, some.

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to you is a right old laugh.

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How right was I?

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I'm doing this.

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yeah, you've got Sungjae and Siwoo Kim.

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What's your score out of 10 for them

coming across?

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I think they're pretty high just because

your logic was sound a few weeks ago.

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So I'm I never give a 10 because you've

always got to save a bit, but I'm going to

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go nine on these ones.

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Jay?

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Yeah, I had it as a 9.5.

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The last episode we obviously focused on

ROM and we focused on Tony Finau.

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There were a lot of other names I don't

wanna drop, but we already were at an

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hour.

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I wanted to save the rest of the names for

when we were a full unit.

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So those are two of the names I was gonna

mention.

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I could say a 10, except the...

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Okay.

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10 and their team will be Sung Jae-im,

Si-woo Kim, Kevin Na, and Danny Lee.

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They will change the name from the

Ironheads.

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They're all for South Korean lineage.

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They are the South Korean team.

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We've got a South Korean event coming up.

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We know full well there are three South

Korean sponsors who've made an interest,

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two of them publicly, two of them have

attended events you've been to, one of

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attended event I've been to.

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There will be a South Korean sponsor

sponsoring the South Korean team, which

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will be Sung Jae-im.

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Siwoo Kim, Kevin, Naren, Danny Lee, take

it to the bounce.

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It's, it also sounds like the South Korea

event is actually gonna be the team

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championship local location for next year.

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That's not confirmed yet.

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I've just been hearing that there's a lot

of, that would be gigantic.

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So we'll have to see how that all plays

out, but that's what I've heard.

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So you're both happy with that, that new

team, that role revamp team and those two,

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all right, great, okay.

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I know we spent a long time on Tony and

John, we're gonna touch on them now.

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We don't need great detail.

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What's your thoughts on Tony Fino coming

across next year for the next season?

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Mark, give me your score.

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Mm, I'm going to go seven on this one.

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I'm going to go a seven on this one.

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It would be lower if not for the financial

challenges that Jay brought up just

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because, I don't know.

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Just that's what I think.

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What are you going for Jay?

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Yeah, that's fair.

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I'm going 10.

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Everything that I've heard, like when our

podcast came out last week, I got feedback

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from people that you would know that they

were like, oh yeah, there's some needle

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movers that are coming over to live.

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Yeah, I'm also going to go for it.

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I can't go for the 10 because I can't have

two tens and another 10.

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I'm going to go for 9.5.

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I had a phone, I had a text message from

someone that every single person watching

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this will know or know of who went, you

would you J Mark.

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He's going.

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I'm like, okay.

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Right.

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I said, how you shot.

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I'm getting screwed here because I don't

get the text messages.

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You guys are shitting on me.

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This is bullshit.

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I'm not going to play golf for you guys

because you'll be like, yeah, I got a text

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from the superintendent of the course

telling me where to hit it on every single

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shot.

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I'm like, all right, okay.

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This is, I'm out.

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I'm out.

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So.

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the person said to me, the only reason he

doesn't go is if there is a complete and

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utter change of heart, he feels he's gone,

but again, that could be wrong, but look,

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I hope he goes, I love Tony Fina.

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I think he'd be the gap.

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Some of the gas that live needs with those

big names, right?

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John Rahm, what we thinking?

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she's a big Tony Finau fan.

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Yeah, she loves Tony.

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I heard the ladies do.

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He's a very loyal family man, but I hear

that the ladies do love him.

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So he's a good bloke, but he is eye candy.

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He is the eye candy that Liv needs.

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Cause let's face it, I love Westy.

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I love Westy, met him a few times.

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I love Polz, but I'm not sure they are

bringing in the ladies eyes.

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No, I mean, you know, there was a peak for

those two as lookers.

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And I'm just not sure it was 2023.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Love the guys.

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And there's only so many times you can see

Bryson's blue eyes without it getting

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boring because the ladies love him as

well.

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And Jay, you've been to a live event.

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The ladies follow Bryson around, don't

they?

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It's unbelievable.

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Are they all like, squat me, squat me,

press me, press me.

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I made a protein, Bryson, eat me.

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Ha ha ha.

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Let's just say Bryson is, Bryson is very

active on Instagram and the Instagram

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ladies, they love themselves some Bryson

DeChambeau, so let's.

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that.

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All I know is that when you walk a live

event, the percentage of women following

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Bryson's group is way higher than any

other group.

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Right.

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What's our thoughts on Ram?

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about this.

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I'm going to have to consult with Mrs.

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Pro Golf Critic about this because she's

the she she's the authority on this stuff.

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So I will consult with her and then next

week I will come back to you guys with her

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thoughts.

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She's got some spicy takes.

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She the listeners are not ready for her

spicy golf takes.

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Let's just leave it at that for now.

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We were meant to be doing these two

quickly.

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What's Ram?

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Mark, we're not even gonna talk about John

Ram, but just give me a score out of 10.

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I'm gonna go a six again, unless you got a

text from John.

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No, Jay.

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So for 2024, I'm going to go seven, for

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Okay, I'm going to go for a six as well.

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Right, Adrian Moranque.

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He to me is, yeah, he might be an eight.

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He might be an eight early days, played

really consistently well on the DP World

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Tour, which puts him in a position where

he must have a lot of leverage from a

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financial perspective.

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If you're going to go, you've got to go

while you're on the up.

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So yeah, I would say maybe an eight.

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I'm gonna go six just because we start to

like, you know, you start playing the

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numbers game and if some of these other

guys, if they all go, they're starting to

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talk about limited spots.

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Like I wouldn't, yeah, so I'll leave it at

six, yeah.

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Okay, I'm going to go, I'm doing myself a

double score, which I will allow you two

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to do.

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I'm going for Moranque for a six, but I'm

increasing it to a 10 if Victor goes.

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Hmm.

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Good point.

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Do you two want to have an additional

score if Victor also goes?

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I'll allow that.

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No, I already did the double score for

ROM.

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So I've already, you know, yeah.

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what's your odds on Victor going?

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I'm a four on Vic.

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I think coming off the back of the Ryder

Cup, you know, he's, I think the time to

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get him was 18 months ago.

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I think he's ascended the heights now

where he feels, potentially feels like

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there's a lot more that he can do from

where he is.

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And he's got a chance to, I think he's got

a chance to become the next face of this,

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especially if someone like Ram does start

to change his perspective.

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So I'm going to say a fourth of it.

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Jay?

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Yeah, I was high on Victor earlier, but

I'm probably going to go with like a three

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for now only because I feel like if he had

won a major this past year, it would be

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like probably eight or nine.

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But I know that's really important to him.

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And then we start again, we run up against

this situation of spots and yeah, he'd be

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a captive a new team, but I don't think

we're quite ready for him yet.

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So yeah, I'm going to put it pretty low,

like a three or four.

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I've gone for three.

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I've gone low as well.

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Um, I think it's either Victor comes

across, brings age and Moronk takes two of

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the other Europeans and creates a new

European team, or it doesn't happen.

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I think it's, it's that stark.

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It's not, he goes and captains a team and

a few other people go along.

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I think it, it'd be him, Moronk and a

couple of others, they form their big new

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European team.

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They call themselves the Vikings or

whatever they want to call themselves.

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The berserkers, whatever you want to do.

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The Vikings is used.

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by Minnesota, you call yourself the

berserkers and you get a big flame red

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bearded ball, like ginger, like with the

hair and the ponytails, whatever else it

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might be.

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You can do loads of stuff with that motif

because they managed to make a logo out of

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a frog for Christ's sake.

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So you can do it out of a berserker.

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Right, Hideki Matsuyama, what are your

odds on Hideki going?

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Not odds, what's your score out of 10?

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Do you know, he feels like a six and a

half, seven as well.

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It's again, maybe down to the spots, but

he feels, he feels like he's on the right

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trajectory to want to seek something like

a live.

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So yeah, I'm gonna go six and a half.

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I'll stick to six and a half, yeah.

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Okay, good.

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J.

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Uh, I'm going to go five just, just

because I don't know exactly.

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I don't have any feeling one, uh, one way

or the other.

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Like, yeah, I totally think he would, he

would be a huge get off for live.

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I can't say I'm really a Hideki fan.

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Like I understand the appeal with that

market, but I don't really feel strongly

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one way or the other, so I'll say five.

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I'm going seven and the reason is he

really wanted to go last year, but things

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are put in place to stop him going.

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And we know discussions were had with Golf

Japan.

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We know that.

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That's been made very, very clear.

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I think there's still a big money offer

for him.

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If he wants it, he's also had some back

injuries from playing lots of golf.

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And I think he might like to go and play.

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14 rounds of live golf where you only play

14 events when you play three rounds, not

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26 events where you play four and play the

majors.

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And I think that with Japanese golf and

the Hong Kong golf and that East Asian

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golf being part of the live profile, I

can't remember the name of the Hong Kong

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laddie, Jay, what's his name?

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The amazing, the amazing young lad from

Hong Kong.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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There feels there could be something done

with a really good

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Far East, Far East golf team as well.

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So I just feel there's something to be

looked at there.

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That's kind of why I've gone for that.

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Right, okay.

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Let's go to my last one.

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Bringing in another major winner, Brian

Harmon.

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I mean, for me, yeah, I think he's

probably like an eight just because no one

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expected him to do what he did last year.

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: 00:16:14

He had a decent ish Ryder Cup.

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: 00:16:19

No one expects him to win the major.

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: 00:16:22

Does anyone expect him to do it again?

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: 00:16:25

I'm not entirely sure that they do.

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: 00:16:26

So I think he's a bit of a bit of a

journeyman.

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You know, I think he could be an eight

man.

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: 00:16:33

I think it fits.

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: 00:16:35

J?

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: 00:16:38

Yeah, that's a great point.

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: 00:16:39

I'm probably gonna go seven.

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: 00:16:41

I could definitely see a couple teams that

would be really strong fits for Brian

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: 00:16:45

Harmon.

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: 00:16:47

I mean, I think Brian Harmon as a range

goat probably fits great, especially if

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: 00:16:51

some of these other moves that I've heard

are in the bag.

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Yeah, I think he'd be a great fit.

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: 00:17:01

Yeah, so I'll say seven, but things can

always change.

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: 00:17:04

But look, he's got his major exemptions.

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the next five years, which is basically

going to be because he's in his late

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thirties, which is basically his career.

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: 00:17:12

Yeah, it's playing career.

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: 00:17:13

So I mean, it makes a ton of sense to do

it now.

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: 00:17:19

Okay, well, I'm just calculating these

last few numbers, so bear with me caller.

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: 00:17:25

And...

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: 00:17:25

statistician, let's fill this gap by

completely ribbing Ben for his love of a

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: 00:17:30

spreadsheet whilst he manually adds up all

of these scores.

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: 00:17:33

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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: 00:17:33

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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: 00:17:33

go.

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: 00:17:33

Here we go.

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: 00:17:34

Oh, shut up.

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: 00:17:34

Right.

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: 00:17:35

So coming in at first place with 28 and a

half out of 30 is Sung J.

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M and Siwoo Kim.

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: 00:17:42

Big Tony at 26 and a half.

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: 00:17:44

Brian Harmon at 23.

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: 00:17:46

Age Maronk at 20.

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: 00:17:52

John Rahm at 19.

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: 00:17:53

Adekia at 18.5 and Victor in last place

with 10.

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: 00:17:57

So there you are folks.

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That's our eight names and where we think

they could be.

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: 00:18:02

I do think that Liv would love that hunk

lad from Hunk, say his name, I'm so sorry

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: 00:18:06

for being disrespectful for getting his

name.

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: 00:18:08

Taichi Ko, he's from, he's from there.

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: 00:18:14

Oh, for sure.

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: 00:18:14

Like he's definitely playing in the

promotions event.

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: 00:18:17

That's confirmed.

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: 00:18:19

I think we're gonna have a very, very

heavy contingent of Asian tour players and

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: 00:18:24

sort of players from that part of the

world in that particular event.

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: 00:18:28

No, Taichi Ko though, like he went to

college at Notre Dame.

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: 00:18:32

Like he's, he.

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: 00:18:35

Knows the American market.

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: 00:18:36

I think he's really personable.

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: 00:18:38

Like I've seen him at the.

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: 00:18:40

Hong Kong Open doing some promotional

stuff for the Asian tour.

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: 00:18:46

I think that he could be a huge get like I

know he isn't a household name yet.

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: 00:18:51

He's very young.

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: 00:18:53

But nice.

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: 00:18:55

But I do think that Teche could be a great

get.

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: 00:19:00

And if we're talking like, you know.

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: 00:19:04

Like even if he doesn't make it through

the promotions event, like I can see him

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: 00:19:08

being a really important addition sometime

in the next year or two.

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: 00:19:13

So we'll have to see.

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: 00:19:15

Well Mark, I've scratched my itch.

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: 00:19:19

Move on with the rest of the show.

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: 00:19:21

Can I touch really quickly?

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: 00:19:23

Can I touch really quickly on John Rom?

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: 00:19:26

One of the things I look, this is an, it's

an important thing.

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: 00:19:33

It's an important thing that I want to

sort of get out there.

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: 00:19:36

You know, we obviously talked a lot about

John Rom last episode and I'm not going to

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: 00:19:41

go into detail.

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: 00:19:43

I do want to put this out there for folks

that

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: 00:19:46

Look, it's very clear that live kind of

wants to follow this F1 model for building

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: 00:19:51

teams and things like that.

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: 00:19:54

One of the things people need to sort of

keep in mind when it comes to this is the

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: 00:19:58

fact that the equipment companies and sort

of, uh, the, the really big, uh, golf

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: 00:20:06

specific sponsors have not really been

part of this process yet.

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: 00:20:10

I think that is a door that's about to

swing open.

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: 00:20:15

So if we are going to start to build these

teams and maybe add in some additional

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: 00:20:20

branding from some equipment

manufacturers, I think that could be part

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: 00:20:24

of the whole John Ron process.

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: 00:20:28

It could be part of building sort of him

starting to, uh, to build a team in his

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: 00:20:34

image that includes Cal is a sponsor and

some of his other sponsors that are very,

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: 00:20:39

very tied into, you know, the professional

golf.

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: 00:20:43

So, and all of this could be sort of

coalescing.

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: 00:20:47

That's part of the reason why I'm not sure

if it's gonna happen for next year, except

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: 00:20:50

if you project this out 2025, I think that

that's kind of the look that Liv is gonna

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: 00:20:56

go for.

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: 00:20:58

Again, speculation, but I was telling

somebody the other day, I'm like, this is

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: 00:21:02

kind of putting, it's like putting

together a puzzle where you have half of

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: 00:21:08

it completed and the rest you kind of have

to figure out for yourself.

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: 00:21:13

So until we continue to get more

information, which is gonna come probably

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: 00:21:19

in the next, you know, a few months to a

year's time, I just want everybody to sort

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: 00:21:24

of keep this in mind, keep an open mind

about all of this, that there's a lot

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: 00:21:31

still to come from this whole live team

model that TGL is also gonna tap into as

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: 00:21:37

well.

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: 00:21:38

I don't disagree with the sponsors and the

equipment as well, just to kind of wrap up

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: 00:21:42

on that one.

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: 00:21:42

I think if you look at the brand of Lib,

and if you look at any brand, especially a

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: 00:21:48

brand, it sort of touches on that kind of

tongue in cheek banter Ben and I were

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: 00:21:51

having on Twitter earlier, go and look

that up.

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: 00:21:54

It's interesting that if you have

something that is so conditioned to being

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: 00:22:02

the same for such a long time, and in this

particular context I'm just about to talk

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: 00:22:07

about,

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: 00:22:08

We've all seen the brands adorn in every

part of every single golfer for the last,

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: 00:22:14

you know, Lord knows how long.

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: 00:22:15

Suddenly to move to Liv and suddenly to

when you took, if you switch Liv on the CW

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: 00:22:19

or on YouTube over here in the UK, you

don't see Callaway so much.

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: 00:22:23

You don't see Ping.

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: 00:22:24

You don't see the sponsors.

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: 00:22:26

You might not notice it, but

subconsciously, that is a huge part of

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: 00:22:33

what feels.

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: 00:22:35

like a missing part of the live brand is

that it can only be legitimate if Phil

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: 00:22:40

wears what Phil wears.

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: 00:22:42

And it's whether that's right or wrong.

441

: 00:22:45

There's no doubt about it that someone

that's a 30 year Phil fan suddenly sees

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: 00:22:50

him playing something else and he doesn't

look like Phil in that regard.

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: 00:22:53

It affects the brand.

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: 00:22:55

There's no doubt about it.

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: 00:22:56

It's almost it's there's something missing

and you can't quite place it.

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: 00:22:59

You don't know what it is.

447

: 00:23:00

And all these little things just add up,

you know, these little, so I, I think

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: 00:23:05

That's a huge part of Liv's legitimacy for

the traditional golf fans.

449

: 00:23:12

And whether we want the traditional golf

fans to give a shit about Liv, who really

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: 00:23:15

cares?

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: 00:23:16

Liv wants that.

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: 00:23:17

Of course they do.

453

: 00:23:18

You know, there's only so far you can grow

the game by attracting new fans.

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: 00:23:21

We all know getting new people into golf

is harder than switching people who

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: 00:23:24

already love golf to watch Liv.

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: 00:23:25

That's, that's a fact.

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: 00:23:27

So I think that's huge, Jay.

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: 00:23:28

I think that's a huge thing getting the

sponsors and the equipment manufacturers

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: 00:23:31

on board.

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: 00:23:32

I, I think that would.

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: 00:23:34

radically change the way that the whole

lived brand was perceived.

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: 00:23:39

Yeah, I completely agree.

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: 00:23:40

Yeah, but more importantly than that, I've

just worked out our assurity points as

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: 00:23:44

well.

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: 00:23:44

So if you go from what we've given, we had

a total of 80 points to give out.

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: 00:23:48

I gave out 59 and a half, Mark gave out 57

and a half, and Jay gave out 57.

467

: 00:23:53

Listeners, people who've new to the

YouTube show that didn't see me last week,

468

: 00:23:56

you can expect more of this crap from me.

469

: 00:24:00

He loves a bloody spreadsheet.

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: 00:24:01

He loves a spreadsheet.

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: 00:24:02

All right, from one insanely challenging

thing to talk about spreadsheets to an

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: 00:24:08

insanely challenging thing to say the

world, what is it?

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: 00:24:12

Because I still forget it, Worldwide

Technology Championship, was that what it

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: 00:24:16

was last week?

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: 00:24:17

Yeah?

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: 00:24:18

My word.

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: 00:24:20

Oh, dear.

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: 00:24:21

look, I got to get, get this in.

479

: 00:24:22

This is something that's like, it really

grinds my gears about the PJ tour.

480

: 00:24:26

And it's something that I have been on

this block for a long time.

481

: 00:24:30

They've got to figure something out with

these names, like these names of these

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: 00:24:33

tournaments.

483

: 00:24:33

I get that look, title sponsorship is a

big thing.

484

: 00:24:37

I totally get that that's a huge revenue

source for them.

485

: 00:24:40

And it's great exposure for these

companies.

486

: 00:24:43

The problem is for like hardcore fans,

it's like, it's impossible to keep track

487

: 00:24:47

of these names year to year.

488

: 00:24:48

Like nobody knows what the worldwide

technologies championship was like last

489

: 00:24:53

year or two years ago.

490

: 00:24:55

Like they need to do this model just like

live is doing where you have, uh, you

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: 00:25:02

know, live Singapore presented by, uh,

resorts world, like something like, like

492

: 00:25:09

that, like you need to have some identity.

493

: 00:25:12

to these events.

494

: 00:25:13

The players championship presented by

whoever.

495

: 00:25:17

The Arnold Palmer Invitational presented

by MasterCard.

496

: 00:25:19

Like that's the direction that you need to

go in with these very with specifically

497

: 00:25:25

with the signature events that are

supposed to be the top events on your

498

: 00:25:30

schedule.

499

: 00:25:31

These events need an identity like you're

already losing sponsors.

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: 00:25:35

Uh, like the Honda classic that we've

known for 40 years is going away.

501

: 00:25:39

Like they're not calling it the Honda

classic anymore.

502

: 00:25:41

I think they're calling it the classic.

503

: 00:25:43

The classic at like Palm beach or

something like that.

504

: 00:25:47

Maybe that's the direction you need to go

in.

505

: 00:25:49

Like there needs to be an identity to

these events, especially if you're going

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: 00:25:53

to be turning over sponsors every few

years.

507

: 00:25:56

So I think this is some, something that

like, they need to like figure it out,

508

: 00:26:00

especially with everything that's going to

happen.

509

: 00:26:04

You know,

510

: 00:26:05

uh, with the merger and sort of everybody

coming together, if you're going to have

511

: 00:26:08

this umbrella, uh, corporation that has

these really important events, like you

512

: 00:26:14

have to have some policy that, okay, we've

got these really important events.

513

: 00:26:19

We need every single event to have a very

specific identity that can't flip every

514

: 00:26:24

few years if we lose a sponsor or we get a

new one.

515

: 00:26:27

So I think this is something that's like

really, really important to like the

516

: 00:26:30

success of this because.

517

: 00:26:32

If you can't name the event, like how was

it supposed to be important to us?

518

: 00:26:36

So, yeah.

519

: 00:26:39

So at least live, every event has an

identity based on location.

520

: 00:26:44

These other PJ tour events have no

identity whatsoever.

521

: 00:26:48

And I think the identity is such a because

the PGA tour, like I said last week, to

522

: 00:26:53

me, the PGA tour is only stale when

there's not that much going on.

523

: 00:26:56

So it's like this time of year, it gets a

little quiet because we all know.

524

: 00:27:00

We all know that we know the schedule.

525

: 00:27:03

However, I'm still as turned on by the

players.

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: 00:27:06

I'm still as turned on even by the Honda.

527

: 00:27:08

I'm still as turned on by the farmers.

528

: 00:27:10

I'm still as turned on by any of the

things that don't change from a branding

529

: 00:27:15

perspective, the waste management and so

on and so forth.

530

: 00:27:18

I was turned on by those as I've ever

been.

531

: 00:27:19

And it's why the majors hold such appeal

outside of the top players playing there.

532

: 00:27:24

It's not about necessarily just the top

players.

533

: 00:27:27

It's about the fact that once every three

months through summer or two months,

534

: 00:27:31

whatever it is, we get together and we

play the branded major.

535

: 00:27:35

It's the open.

536

: 00:27:36

It's the U S open at Riviera, wherever the

masters, you know, perhaps the, the

537

: 00:27:42

biggest kind of brand out of them all.

538

: 00:27:44

I do think that's such an important thing.

539

: 00:27:46

You see it with like soccer stadiums and

stuff in the UK.

540

: 00:27:48

I don't give a shit whether it's the

Reebok Stadium or whatever the Bolton's

541

: 00:27:52

called.

542

: 00:27:52

Now I just don't know.

543

: 00:27:53

I don't care.

544

: 00:27:54

And it's such a, it's such a vital part, I

think of the next evolution of golf,

545

: 00:28:00

because you want, I want to, I want to say

to my mate that I talked about last week

546

: 00:28:03

who goes and loves virtual golf and a

range as much as he loves going out on the

547

: 00:28:06

course, I want to say to him, do you want

to come down the sim?

548

: 00:28:09

We'll get a few beers on.

549

: 00:28:11

We'll tell the missus that we're working.

550

: 00:28:13

And you want to watch the waste management

because it's a right old do, you know, and

551

: 00:28:17

it's next year.

552

: 00:28:19

I don't want to be saying, do you want to

come and watch the, uh, you want to come

553

: 00:28:21

and watch the, uh, foot locker, PGQ, BBC

six, invitational.

554

: 00:28:28

What's that?

555

: 00:28:28

Oh, it's the one we watched last, last

year, but it's just different now.

556

: 00:28:31

So I get it, man.

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: 00:28:31

I think brands vital, um, in, in that

regard, Ben, what have you got to say on

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: 00:28:36

this?

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: 00:28:37

Are you still, are you just doing formulas

and stuff, mate on your spreadsheet?

560

: 00:28:40

if you don't like a pivot table, can we

even be friends?

561

: 00:28:45

Um, he'll find it's like, I'll find as

I've struggled at time with pivot tables

562

: 00:28:49

and I have thrown stuff.

563

: 00:28:52

Um, I think you two have been a bit harsh

on it.

564

: 00:28:54

I think the PGA tour has always had what

some more well-known names and some less

565

: 00:28:58

well-known names.

566

: 00:28:59

I I've said before, while I'm a huge fan

of live, I love the PGA tour.

567

: 00:29:04

I, I watched, I watched a fair bit of the

568

: 00:29:07

Um of the worldwide technology champion.

569

: 00:29:09

I've got one thing that has annoyed me

about it, which i'll talk about in a

570

: 00:29:11

moment But I actually was a great event

And I kind of disagree with you both while

571

: 00:29:17

I agree on the branding piece What i'll

say is that pj tour has always had 10 to

572

: 00:29:22

15 events in yugo.

573

: 00:29:23

What's that called?

574

: 00:29:25

But you don't worry because you just dial

in and tune in to watch it because that is

575

: 00:29:28

the golf that's on However with live and

with some more competitive asian tour

576

: 00:29:33

events like the one we got this week

577

: 00:29:36

there's now needs to maybe be a bit more

branded, but I, I kind of taking the other

578

: 00:29:42

side of the fence to you wasn't that what

I want to talk about firstly is Eric van

579

: 00:29:45

Woyen.

580

: 00:29:47

What a fantastic win.

581

: 00:29:49

What an absolute to shoot nine under, um,

nine under 63 was fantastic.

582

: 00:29:55

And obviously it was, it was done.

583

: 00:29:57

And he put it in sort of accredited it to

his, his dear friend here, he and his

584

: 00:30:04

caddy.

585

: 00:30:04

went to college with a gentleman that's

now sadly lose, as he said, he's has got

586

: 00:30:08

cancer and is going to lose the battle.

587

: 00:30:10

So we've all lost people from cancer,

whatever else it might be in, in time.

588

: 00:30:17

I just like to say, well done, Eric, I'm

winning that and giving that message

589

: 00:30:21

across Eric van Royen, by the way, is, is

the one name I felt might have gone to

590

: 00:30:25

live last year to be part of the stingers.

591

: 00:30:28

I was very vocal.

592

: 00:30:29

I thought that was a nailed on.

593

: 00:30:30

I thought he would go, um, do the stingers

need to make a change?

594

: 00:30:34

I would say they probably don't.

595

: 00:30:37

They've got a really good brand and really

good mix and, um,

596

: 00:30:43

I think they got rid of, um, to play C and

got in a Dean Burmester Mr.

597

: 00:30:48

And I think that they've, they've solid

solidified up.

598

: 00:30:50

I want to have, I want to just have a

moment's pause.

599

: 00:30:54

I thought the event was really good.

600

: 00:30:56

I thought the course looked really good in

many ways.

601

: 00:30:59

It wasn't as difficult as people maybe

should be talking about, but Matt Kutcher,

602

: 00:31:04

how many of us have been where Matt

Kutcher was standing?

603

: 00:31:10

Listeners to the show will know I'll talk

about when I lost my club for

604

: 00:31:13

championships done the eight T at manor

house castle Coon when I bought it and

605

: 00:31:16

threw it away.

606

: 00:31:17

But not told you that before.

607

: 00:31:19

Yeah.

608

: 00:31:20

Matt Couture, how often have we been

there?

609

: 00:31:22

Everybody, when you think all I've got to

do is just get this up this slope and I'll

610

: 00:31:25

be fine.

611

: 00:31:27

And he's gone from winning a tour, leading

a tournament, but was he leading by two or

612

: 00:31:31

three, I can't remember to then dropping

down to tied for first place, having

613

: 00:31:35

dropped four shots.

614

: 00:31:37

We've all been there.

615

: 00:31:38

Matt Couture.

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: 00:31:39

moment of silence for you.

617

: 00:31:41

We've all been there.

618

: 00:31:41

If there is a golfer in the world that

laughed at him and didn't feel for him,

619

: 00:31:47

then you aren't my friend because we've

all been there and cooch.

620

: 00:31:52

Was it like literally four, maybe five

inches from staying up and

621

: 00:31:57

time it was it was it was we were all just

heading hands like, oh, mate, every short

622

: 00:32:04

light.

623

: 00:32:04

And you're right.

624

: 00:32:05

It wasn't a you know, like you see a lot

of memes and a lot of people like in

625

: 00:32:09

soccer or football or whatever.

626

: 00:32:10

You get a lot of people who should have

put that in from now.

627

: 00:32:12

I could have put that in.

628

: 00:32:13

No golfer was doing that.

629

: 00:32:15

You're just like, oh, mate, not again,

mate.

630

: 00:32:19

Oh, man.

631

: 00:32:20

You're right, man.

632

: 00:32:21

We've all been there.

633

: 00:32:22

And then you're just willing the guy to

chip in every time.

634

: 00:32:24

You're like, come on, you can do it here.

635

: 00:32:26

Oh, bogey.

636

: 00:32:27

Come on, hero double.

637

: 00:32:30

Look, it happens to everybody.

638

: 00:32:31

I, as some of the plays in a fair amount

of higher level amateur events here in the

639

: 00:32:38

US, certainly happened to me.

640

: 00:32:40

I've certainly made my share of sevens and

eights.

641

: 00:32:44

Not necessarily when I was leading by six

or something like that, but no, it does

642

: 00:32:49

happen.

643

: 00:32:49

I mean, it's one of those things that you

just never know.

644

: 00:32:52

You never know when it's gonna happen,

which is part of the reason why, you know,

645

: 00:32:56

when somebody has a...

646

: 00:32:57

a really big lead.

647

: 00:32:58

This is something that Tiger was really

big on.

648

: 00:33:01

Like when he had a eight shot lead, like

he went to make it a 10 shot lead.

649

: 00:33:05

Like if he has 10, he wants to make it 12.

650

: 00:33:08

Because you just never know what's going

to happen that last day, especially on

651

: 00:33:12

some of these courses where even though

they appear very easy because of the

652

: 00:33:18

scores or that are being shot are super,

super low.

653

: 00:33:23

Look, there's danger out there on a lot of

use holes.

654

: 00:33:26

Like you just never know.

655

: 00:33:27

All it takes is one bad like snap hook tee

shot and all of a sudden you're reteeing

656

: 00:33:32

and like you're struggling to make double.

657

: 00:33:35

And that's exactly what happened to

Kutcher.

658

: 00:33:37

So, you know, these things happen.

659

: 00:33:40

You just gotta be prepared for it.

660

: 00:33:43

Look, Matt is a, he's a veteran.

661

: 00:33:46

He actually responded pretty well.

662

: 00:33:48

Like after he made the...

663

: 00:33:50

Yeah, he bogeyed the next hole, but it was

a really different, difficult hole.

664

: 00:33:53

But the last day, I mean, he shot, even

with that quad, he shot 67 in that third

665

: 00:34:00

round.

666

: 00:34:01

And then the last round he shot 66.

667

: 00:34:03

So look, there's a lot of criticisms about

that course.

668

: 00:34:07

I think that it's obviously a Tiger Woods

design.

669

: 00:34:11

I think that it was designed to have more

wind than they had.

670

: 00:34:16

uh, that particular week, like there,

there weren't really any conditions.

671

: 00:34:19

So it was like, kind of like shooting

darts.

672

: 00:34:23

And I think that that's why the scores

were solo, but, uh, look, it looked like

673

: 00:34:29

an interesting course, um, weren't really

a ton of spectators, but that's kind of

674

: 00:34:33

what to expect that a lot of these resort

courses, like, look, we're going to see

675

: 00:34:38

that at the hero, uh, next month in the

Bahamas, we're going to see it at century.

676

: 00:34:45

at Kapalua in January.

677

: 00:34:47

So it's like when people start posting

these things about Liv not having that

678

: 00:34:53

many fans at like Jetta, let's say, I just

want all those fans to like just shut up

679

: 00:34:59

because this is, I could pull, this isn't

the only PJ tour event where there's very,

680

: 00:35:04

very little spectators.

681

: 00:35:06

I could probably name five or six.

682

: 00:35:08

genuine question, why are you bothered

what they say about attendance?

683

: 00:35:10

You and I have been to live events.

684

: 00:35:13

We know the attendance is really good.

685

: 00:35:14

It wasn't great last year as they were

building up.

686

: 00:35:17

It wasn't good at Jeddah cause it's 60

minutes from Jeddah.

687

: 00:35:22

And it was 40 degrees with very little

shade and no public transport to it.

688

: 00:35:27

So I don't even entertain it.

689

: 00:35:30

Don't worry about it, Jay.

690

: 00:35:31

Honestly, just let it go.

691

: 00:35:32

Let it go.

692

: 00:35:34

You guys get super mad though.

693

: 00:35:35

You get super mad.

694

: 00:35:37

Like I would imagine that your frequently

used emojis are like the clown one.

695

: 00:35:42

Cause you love a clown on the Twitter.

696

: 00:35:44

You boys are like, just sit there.

697

: 00:35:46

Like I'm sat there thinking to myself,

right?

698

: 00:35:49

I'm going to nip to the old bathroom.

699

: 00:35:51

First thing eight 30 on a morning when I

get up, just joking boss, six 30 and

700

: 00:35:55

that's start work by eight promise.

701

: 00:35:57

Get up there, fly down.

702

: 00:36:00

I'm like, this is great.

703

: 00:36:00

I'm going to fire up the old Twitter.

704

: 00:36:02

Clown clown clown.

705

: 00:36:05

Scoot this I'm going on Instagram.

706

: 00:36:09

It's true.

707

: 00:36:10

That is one of my most frequently, I was

looking at my most frequently used emojis.

708

: 00:36:13

me.

709

: 00:36:14

You are worse to me.

710

: 00:36:15

I don't care what people say about

tournament attendance.

711

: 00:36:17

I've been there.

712

: 00:36:18

I've been there and they have no more

space to get people in London.

713

: 00:36:22

Saturday and Sunday sold out.

714

: 00:36:23

I don't care what anyone says about

attendance to live event.

715

: 00:36:26

It just doesn't bother me.

716

: 00:36:27

it's not like I care but like and look

I've made a commitment like last year that

717

: 00:36:33

I was gonna be better on Twitter and not

really engage with a lot of it.

718

: 00:36:36

I'm haters.

719

: 00:36:39

But I gotta admit like I enjoy it.

720

: 00:36:41

Sometimes I love I love to body back these

guys because somebody was coming at me

721

: 00:36:48

actually.

722

: 00:36:49

Yeah, it was cult knows Again, coming at

me on Twitter.

723

: 00:36:53

As like look

724

: 00:36:56

Colt needs to realize that like if he's

gonna start some of these conversations,

725

: 00:37:00

like I'm gonna finish it.

726

: 00:37:01

So he just needs to be very careful about

this the shots that he's taking at live

727

: 00:37:07

the shots he's taking at live players

because he does it very frequently and

728

: 00:37:11

He's not the only person in the

establishment that does

729

: 00:37:13

Liv?

730

: 00:37:18

You need to hear that from me.

731

: 00:37:21

I don't know.

732

: 00:37:22

Yeah.

733

: 00:37:22

We might want to seek clarification if

Colt definitely did or did not have a

734

: 00:37:26

conversation with Liv about working for

them.

735

: 00:37:29

We might want to see.

736

: 00:37:30

Golf Club on Twitter.

737

: 00:37:32

Let us know.

738

: 00:37:33

asking for clarification.

739

: 00:37:34

I don't know these things.

740

: 00:37:36

Maybe he should address that publicly.

741

: 00:37:38

That's a good idea.

742

: 00:37:39

at GLU Golf Club on the Twitter.

743

: 00:37:42

Or the comments if you are watching this

on YouTube.

744

: 00:37:45

Right, switch gears a little bit.

745

: 00:37:47

And we're going to talk TGL.

746

: 00:37:50

We've got some Bostoners, Bostonites.

747

: 00:37:54

You're American, Jay.

748

: 00:37:54

What do you call them?

749

: 00:37:56

I think it's Bostonians.

750

: 00:37:57

So just, I'm fine.

751

: 00:37:59

Yeah.

752

: 00:38:00

And as someone that hates Boston, I know

that very well.

753

: 00:38:04

Bostonians.

754

: 00:38:05

So we've got the Boston team, and

everyone's taking the mick out of the frog

755

: 00:38:09

logo.

756

: 00:38:10

What's wrong with you guys?

757

: 00:38:11

I thought that logo was all right.

758

: 00:38:13

I bloody love a frog.

759

: 00:38:14

logo.

760

: 00:38:15

Got no issue with names at all.

761

: 00:38:17

But if you slagged off the fireballs logo

and you were rude about the crushes logo,

762

: 00:38:23

you can't then all be like, oh my God,

isn't the Boston golf common logo amazing?

763

: 00:38:26

Oh God, don't they identify with the

Boston common?

764

: 00:38:29

No, no.

765

: 00:38:30

Oh, I don't know the fireballs one is

like, you know, when you get like an

766

: 00:38:34

online logo generator, and it's like,

here's a sample logo for you to customize.

767

: 00:38:39

It's a fireball.

768

: 00:38:41

No, I wish it.

769

: 00:38:43

So someone that lives gone, right?

770

: 00:38:45

Just Google.

771

: 00:38:47

Everyone's like, just Google logo

generator, do the fight.

772

: 00:38:50

Just put in fireball, that'll be fine.

773

: 00:38:52

No one on notice.

774

: 00:38:53

Do you know I'm loving about this one as

well, Jay.

775

: 00:38:55

So for you listening on Spotify and Apple.

776

: 00:38:57

You won't get this, but for you watching

on YouTube, Ben just forgot that we're on

777

: 00:39:00

YouTube and went and just left.

778

: 00:39:03

I went to get this.

779

: 00:39:04

This is the only logo that I think in Live

I don't really get.

780

: 00:39:10

This is the Ripper's logo.

781

: 00:39:11

This is the only one I went to get.

782

: 00:39:13

I've got a hat for each team.

783

: 00:39:14

This, that, it's not.

784

: 00:39:20

things being ripped forward at pace.

785

: 00:39:22

Mmm.

786

: 00:39:23

There's five on there anyway.

787

: 00:39:26

Oh shit, I don't get that logo.

788

: 00:39:28

Apparently there's some relation to the

Australian flag, like the cross in that.

789

: 00:39:34

I heard Cam Smith talk about it.

790

: 00:39:35

I don't really get it.

791

: 00:39:36

I'm not an Australian.

792

: 00:39:38

I know very little about Australia, but I

do know the flag.

793

: 00:39:41

I know it's got like a cross there.

794

: 00:39:44

I don't know how that equates to the

Ripper logo exactly.

795

: 00:39:47

Union Jack in it, which is the greatest

flag of all time and proudly flew over

796

: 00:39:52

your nation for a long time Stop list

797

: 00:39:56

in a magnificent segue.

798

: 00:39:58

Wonderful news.

799

: 00:40:00

Thank you ever so much for that one.

800

: 00:40:02

Back to Boston, all right.

801

: 00:40:04

Boston Tea Party, Independence, we've done

the full circle!

802

: 00:40:07

at!

803

: 00:40:08

There we go.

804

: 00:40:09

That's what I was getting at.

805

: 00:40:10

Ha ha ha.

806

: 00:40:12

Look, this actually ties directly into the

TGL stuff.

807

: 00:40:16

Look, one of the things about golf

culture, and I get it golf

808

: 00:40:20

traditionalists, they hate anything new.

809

: 00:40:23

It doesn't matter what the Boston team is

called.

810

: 00:40:26

It doesn't matter what the logo is.

811

: 00:40:28

It did.

812

: 00:40:29

No, that stuff matters.

813

: 00:40:30

People are going to hate on it.

814

: 00:40:31

That's just how, how it is like,

especially here in America.

815

: 00:40:35

It's like, um, any other sport.

816

: 00:40:37

If a team is changing names, like we just

went through this whole thing the last

817

: 00:40:40

five years where the.

818

: 00:40:42

Washington Redskins, which is one of the

traditional, you know, NFL teams here in

819

: 00:40:48

the United States, and Ben knows well as a

Cowboys fan, they went through this whole

820

: 00:40:53

transition where they were the Redskins

and with one of the worst logos ever.

821

: 00:40:59

I mean, one of the most offensive logos

probably I've ever seen.

822

: 00:41:03

Yet they've continued, they continue doing

that.

823

: 00:41:05

Then eventually they were like, okay,

we're gonna change it.

824

: 00:41:08

They went to the Washington football team.

825

: 00:41:10

People hated that.

826

: 00:41:11

They've gone to the Washington commanders.

827

: 00:41:12

People hated that.

828

: 00:41:13

So it's like, it doesn't matter what the

logo or the names are, people are gonna

829

: 00:41:17

hate on it.

830

: 00:41:18

That's just how it is.

831

: 00:41:20

That being said, when I saw it, and I saw

Rory and Keegan and Terrell and Adam Scott

832

: 00:41:29

come out in like a branded Boston commons

hoodie, even though I dislike Boston, I

833

: 00:41:36

was like, I would wear one of those

hoodies.

834

: 00:41:38

I'm not gonna lie.

835

: 00:41:40

Well, this is what they did pretty well,

isn't it?

836

: 00:41:41

The brand, I think the branding for TGL is

actually really good.

837

: 00:41:45

It's it's all good.

838

: 00:41:47

Yeah, I'm excited for it, man.

839

: 00:41:50

Yeah, I'm excited for it.

840

: 00:41:51

I think it will be a two hours on a Monday

for us to watch or Tuesday morning over a

841

: 00:41:56

beer.

842

: 00:41:57

Nine a.m.

843

: 00:41:58

I think it'd be great.

844

: 00:41:59

I think it'll be really interesting to

see.

845

: 00:42:01

And people are down on some of the

rosters, but like this is again, one of

846

: 00:42:05

those things like it doesn't need to have

like the best.

847

: 00:42:09

24 players in the world, I mean, would it

be way better if it had like just even one

848

: 00:42:15

live team or like three or four players

from live?

849

: 00:42:18

Absolutely.

850

: 00:42:19

Like if this had like, look, I know TGL

only has 23 players now.

851

: 00:42:25

if they were to bring in, if they were

gonna say, oh, our 24th player, despite

852

: 00:42:31

everything that you've heard, our 24th

player is gonna be Bryson DeChambeau.

853

: 00:42:37

Immediately, it goes from here to here.

854

: 00:42:42

Just having Bryson on there, it's probably

not gonna happen.

855

: 00:42:45

It's a pipe dream for me.

856

: 00:42:47

But I think Bryson in Simulator Golf is

must watch TV.

857

: 00:42:53

Any...

858

: 00:42:53

uh, more than almost anybody else that

they have outside type.

859

: 00:42:58

So, yeah.

860

: 00:43:00

Do you think the, well, I can't wait for

the responses that we're gonna see as well

861

: 00:43:06

to this, because you're gonna get a lot of

people on Twitter, X, whatever, that will

862

: 00:43:10

be like, they've definitely rigged Tiger's

numbers.

863

: 00:43:15

He can't hit it that far.

864

: 00:43:18

Aren't they?

865

: 00:43:18

Like, well, let's just call that straight

away.

866

: 00:43:20

They won't quam anyone else's, but he

can't hit it that far.

867

: 00:43:25

Look how old he is.

868

: 00:43:26

He broke his leg.

869

: 00:43:29

He can't do it.

870

: 00:43:29

saying that in the match last year, where

was him and Rory against JT and Spieth,

871

: 00:43:37

they were showing him hitting 180 ball

speed.

872

: 00:43:39

Oh, they've definitely rigged those track.

873

: 00:43:40

I'm like, no, Tiger can still get it out

there, even with a bad back and one good

874

: 00:43:47

leg.

875

: 00:43:47

He's still generating speed.

876

: 00:43:50

He's figured out, that's why he's such a

golfing genius, because no matter what

877

: 00:43:55

state his body is in, he figures it out.

878

: 00:43:57

That's why...

879

: 00:43:59

Like you could never really rule out him

winning any tournament or anything like

880

: 00:44:03

that, even though I've ruled out that he's

going to win another major.

881

: 00:44:06

But you know, you can never really

completely rule it out because he is that

882

: 00:44:11

good.

883

: 00:44:11

Like he is he just knows how to get the

ball in the hole better than anybody else,

884

: 00:44:16

maybe throughout the history of golf.

885

: 00:44:19

So.

886

: 00:44:19

told you and I've told you on a previous

podcast when we next have the open at st.

887

: 00:44:23

Andrew's Tiger will enter the back nine in

the top five It's gonna happen.

888

: 00:44:29

I've told you bookmark it take it to the

bank

889

: 00:44:32

bookmark clip generated.

890

: 00:44:34

Right.

891

: 00:44:35

Done.

892

: 00:44:36

We've generated that clip.

893

: 00:44:37

But I actually don't disagree with you on

that one, especially the opens the place

894

: 00:44:40

to do it.

895

: 00:44:41

It's a it's you know, most of the courses

are Tiger a bull in terms of walking.

896

: 00:44:46

So I don't disagree with that element of

it.

897

: 00:44:49

And it's like you said, Jay, you know, if

anyone's going to try and increase their

898

: 00:44:53

lead, it's going to be Tiger.

899

: 00:44:54

So if you do get him in that spot, you

never rule him out.

900

: 00:44:56

So we'll see.

901

: 00:44:57

We'll see.

902

: 00:44:58

Now, speaking of Tiger, we've got a few

minutes left before we wrap up the show.

903

: 00:45:01

Otherwise, I'm going to get divorced.

904

: 00:45:04

Not by choice.

905

: 00:45:04

It'll be her.

906

: 00:45:05

So we are a little discussion.

907

: 00:45:08

Ben and I had a little mass debate, which

for anyone listening is actually a

908

: 00:45:13

discussion on mass over on Twitter.

909

: 00:45:16

So go and check out our little debate,

because Tiger had a little quote where he

910

: 00:45:20

said he didn't understand what was going

on about when he watched live golf the

911

: 00:45:24

other day.

912

: 00:45:25

Ben, you got a little bit upset.

913

: 00:45:27

I was just, you know, I was just baiting.

914

: 00:45:30

He was a little bit upset.

915

: 00:45:31

I just think it's pathetic.

916

: 00:45:33

Like firstly, I don't believe he didn't

understand it.

917

: 00:45:36

He's Tiger, he's a savant, he understands

golf.

918

: 00:45:38

Of course he understood it.

919

: 00:45:39

He's also told us he's not watched live

and now he's telling us he doesn't

920

: 00:45:42

understand it when he does watch it.

921

: 00:45:44

So which of those is a lie?

922

: 00:45:46

Cause one of them's a lie, which is it?

923

: 00:45:48

Is it you don't watch it or you don't

understand it when you do?

924

: 00:45:50

So let's have that straight.

925

: 00:45:52

But also more importantly is that if there

is any hope of an agreement and I-

926

: 00:45:56

That comment actually for me, made me feel

there's no open agreement.

927

: 00:45:59

There's no hope of Piff and the PGA Tour

working together.

928

: 00:46:04

If you are hoping to have an agreement and

you are a player representative on a PGA

929

: 00:46:09

Tour, which he is, and he is Tiger Woods,

and his words matter, you don't need to

930

: 00:46:15

say that.

931

: 00:46:16

You could just say, I've tuned in a couple

of times to watch Liv, looking forward to

932

: 00:46:20

speaking to the Piff.

933

: 00:46:21

Or have you watched Liv?

934

: 00:46:23

Go with your original answer, no.

935

: 00:46:25

but he had to make a little snarky

comment, which if you're trying to have an

936

: 00:46:29

agreement and come together for a billion

dollars, probably don't make the snarky

937

: 00:46:35

comment.

938

: 00:46:37

The problem that I have with Tiger, and

this is very, very hard for me to say,

939

: 00:46:40

because look, Tiger's one of the reasons

why I got into playing golf, is one of the

940

: 00:46:44

reasons why I'm so passionate about golf

now.

941

: 00:46:48

Tiger, there's like almost nobody in golf

the last 20 years that has lied as much as

942

: 00:46:54

he has.

943

: 00:46:55

Let's just call a spade a spade.

944

: 00:46:57

He, I love Tiger still to this day, he

could do me wrong for the next 20 years.

945

: 00:47:04

I'm still gonna be a Tiger fan.

946

: 00:47:06

That's just how it is.

947

: 00:47:08

That being said, what he said about live

is a complete lie.

948

: 00:47:13

It's a complete and like utter lie for two

reasons.

949

: 00:47:18

One, we already heard from Taylor Guch

when he was at the Masters, he was talking

950

: 00:47:23

to Tiger.

951

: 00:47:24

Tiger knew everybody, he knew all about

the range goats.

952

: 00:47:27

He knew everybody on the team.

953

: 00:47:29

He knew how the format, he talked about

all that at length with Taylor Guch on the

954

: 00:47:34

range.

955

: 00:47:35

So he knows way, way more than he's led

on.

956

: 00:47:39

Two, Tiger was played two years of college

golf.

957

: 00:47:43

The live model is basically following

exactly what happens in

958

: 00:47:47

college golf here in the United States.

959

: 00:47:49

Tiger won 11 events at Stanford.

960

: 00:47:51

He won a five plus team events.

961

: 00:47:54

There is an individual leaderboard and

there's a team leaderboard.

962

: 00:47:59

And just like in Liv, the worst score gets

dropped out of the team.

963

: 00:48:03

So that's a total lie that he doesn't

understand what's going on with Liv.

964

: 00:48:09

Like I think that he's strictly saying

this because the interview that he did was

965

: 00:48:15

specifically about TGL.

966

: 00:48:17

He's obviously trying to pump that up

because he has a very heavy vested

967

: 00:48:22

interest in this.

968

: 00:48:23

Obviously, we've gone over that at length.

969

: 00:48:26

And I think people need to like, just

start parsing out these words that like,

970

: 00:48:31

and we got to hold these people

accountable for like flat out lying to our

971

: 00:48:34

faces.

972

: 00:48:35

So that's part of the reason why that's

the thing that really grinds my gears

973

: 00:48:39

about.

974

: 00:48:40

Tiger, this thing that grinds my gears

about Rory, it's the thing that grinds my

975

: 00:48:44

gears about.

976

: 00:48:45

J.

977

: 00:48:45

Monahan is the thing that grinds my gears

about the PJ tour.

978

: 00:48:47

Like this is part of their culture.

979

: 00:48:50

They continually lie to us, lie to our

faces and expect us to just take them at

980

: 00:48:56

their word.

981

: 00:48:56

And we need to stop letting them do this.

982

: 00:48:59

And it's something that gets me very, very

upset.

983

: 00:49:01

So I'm gonna leave it at that for now, but

it's something everybody, I want every

984

: 00:49:06

listener, anytime you hear anything coming

from the PJ tour or one of their high

985

: 00:49:11

level people, whether it's Tiger or Rory

or J.

986

: 00:49:13

Monahan or whoever.

987

: 00:49:15

You need to take everything they say with

a grain of salt.

988

: 00:49:19

I think look how much everyone's talking

about it.

989

: 00:49:22

If you want to get PR for your new deal,

what do you do?

990

: 00:49:26

You get your big guys to say some

contentious stuff and we learn about all

991

: 00:49:30

of the different aspects of it because we

take sides.

992

: 00:49:34

I think PR is a very interesting game.

993

: 00:49:37

And we see all the time, we see it in

politics, whether you love or loathe

994

: 00:49:40

Trump, there's no denying that he can

direct the conversation wherever he wants

995

: 00:49:45

to direct it.

996

: 00:49:46

And I just think that's what's going on

with a lot of these big guys.

997

: 00:49:49

Um, but we are a little bit out of time

for Ben and I, so we are going to love you

998

: 00:49:55

and leave you, which I am good to do

because I think we could talk about this

999

: 00:49:58

for quite a long lot more time, but, uh,

do let us know on Twitter, what you think

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is Tiger pulling our leg?

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00:50:04,086 --> 00:50:06,087

Is he being a bit of a pons?

: 1002

00:50:06,167 --> 00:50:10,870

Um, in England, that means idiot is, you

know, what's got, what's going on, what's

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going on with him.

: 1004

00:50:11,931 --> 00:50:15,853

If you want more from us, you can find out

at GLU golf club.

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00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:17,190

You will find Ben

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00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:17,950

over on Excel.

: 1007

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So you'll find Ben over on Twitter at Golf

Lover UK and of course at Pro Golf Critic

: 1008

00:50:22,772 --> 00:50:25,214

for J and M at Golf Dad UK.

: 1009

00:50:25,214 --> 00:50:26,474

We're on Spotify.

: 1010

00:50:26,614 --> 00:50:27,855

We're on Apple Podcast.

: 1011

00:50:27,855 --> 00:50:28,715

Go on.

: 1012

00:50:29,316 --> 00:50:30,156

And the bloody gram.

: 1013

00:50:30,156 --> 00:50:31,057

Is it the same username?

: 1014

00:50:31,057 --> 00:50:31,757

Is it?

: 1015

00:50:32,397 --> 00:50:33,105

Is it?

: 1016

00:50:33,105 --> 00:50:37,736

yeah, for us and my personal one, same on

Instagram, got them both.

: 1017

00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:38,651

Search for it.

: 1018

00:50:38,651 --> 00:50:41,212

Facebook, Bebo, MySpace.

: 1019

00:50:41,212 --> 00:50:43,413

We even send bloody letters to people.

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But we will be back next week.

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We've got some interviews coming out.

: 1022

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We've got a few things.

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We've got a few interesting things lined

up.

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Ben's got some really interesting players

that we're going to speak to over the next

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couple of weeks.

: 1026

00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:53,359

And it's always fun to do this.

: 1027

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So if you're enjoying it, do tell your

friends at GLU Golf Club on Twitter,

: 1028

00:50:57,702 --> 00:50:59,162

glugc.com.

: 1029

00:50:59,583 --> 00:51:01,744

Jay, always a pleasure, mate.

: 1030

00:51:01,744 --> 00:51:04,205

Thanks for more fun and shenanigans, my

friend.

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Absolutely today glad to again, we've got

the band back together.

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Everything feels right.

: 1033

00:51:11,631 --> 00:51:12,772

Oh, right.

: 1034

00:51:12,772 --> 00:51:17,858

Even though there's total chaos in the

golf world, there isn't chaos on this

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podcast.

: 1036

00:51:18,378 --> 00:51:19,700

We have every everybody here.

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It's going to be a great, uh, next few

months.

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We've got a lot of great stuff planned and

always good talking to you guys.

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Love it, man.

: 1040

00:51:26,716 --> 00:51:28,042

And Ben, much love, dude.

: 1041

00:51:28,042 --> 00:51:29,165

Glad to have you back.

: 1042

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Yeah, I tell you what, I do miss the day

drinking I was doing in America.

: 1043

00:51:33,557 --> 00:51:37,181

I don't mind a drink, but I don't drink

really in the UK that much.

: 1044

00:51:37,181 --> 00:51:41,727

I was drinking three or four Margaritas a

day during the day, playing golf, drinking

: 1045

00:51:41,727 --> 00:51:43,508

three or four transfusions.

: 1046

00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:47,312

I do miss the day drinking, but I'm much

healthier person now.

: 1047

00:51:47,735 --> 00:51:48,155

Ha ha.

: 1048

00:51:48,155 --> 00:51:50,079

you end it with a quad to blow the lead.

: 1049

00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,685

Until next week, everyone, we will be

back.

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Much love.

: 1051

00:51:53,066 --> 00:51:55,732

Look after yourself and enjoy your golf.

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Bye bye for now.